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2005 Tournaments

2005 Calendar:
01/12 Kooyong (exhibition)
01/17 Australian Open (Grand Slam)
02/07 Marseille (IS) (confirmed)
02/14 Rotterdam (ISG) (confirmed)
02/21 Dubai (ISG) (?)
03/07 Indian Wells (TMS)
03/21 NASDAQ-100 Open (TMS)
04/11 Monte Carlo (TMS)
04/18 Barcelona (ISG) (confirmed)
05/02 Rome (TMS)
05/09 Hamburg (TMS)
05/23 Roland Garros (Grand Slam)
06/06 Halle (IS)
06/15 Stoke Park Exhibition
06/20 Wimbledon (Grand Slam)
08/08 Montreal (TMS)
08/15 Cincinnati (TMS)
08/29 US Open (Grand Slam)
10/10 Vienna (ISG) (?)
10/17 Madrid (TMS)
10/24 Basel (IS) (?)
10/31 Paris (TMS)

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I was waiting for this to be a problem - I've been wondering for a while how he planned to play Bs As AND Rotterdam in consecutive weeks - and I'm going to say David - you had better play Rotterdam because I know loads of people who have already bought their tickets and I tentatively booked my leave from work today!!! I've also heard a rumour (not confirmed yet which is why I haven't said anything before), that he has been offered to play Milan the same week as Bs As. This is a really hard one - as far as the hard-court surface and the financial side of things - he is much better off career-wise playing in Europe, - huge sponsorship, endorsements, Eurosport TV, advertising etc, plus more prize money and higher ranking points (and more chance to progress further than he would playing against all the clay court specialists in Bs As).........but I do see the dilemma of needing to play at home. Whichever way he chooses (although I guess ultimately Eduardo and his management company make the decision and not him)- someone will be unhappy....and it better not be me

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Well, he has tons of tournaments to play in Europe and there's just one in Argentina. I can't believe he's even considering playing somewhere else!!!
Even players like Moya, Coria and Guga are coming!!!
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Re: 2005 Tournaments

Jazz, considering the media circus he's encountered there recently, the Bs As may be more of a distraction for him than it's worth. Maybe playing in Europe is his best bet, even though you guys down there will be disappointed.

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Re: 2005 Tournaments

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Apparently David is doubting about the ATP Bs As, he doesn't know if he'll play here or in Europe.
David, you better be here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i can't believe this will be his choice if he really finally decided not to play Bs AS!!

Won't he bear much critics from Argentina media if he really does so?
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Well, he has tons of tournaments to play in Europe and there's just one in Argentina. I can't believe he's even considering playing somewhere else!!!
Even players like Moya, Coria and Guga are coming!!!
Moya, Coria and Guga are all clay court players who gain most (if not all) of their points from going far in clay court events. David is not - he admits it.........he prefers hard court surfaces such as US Open, Basel etc. Bs As is just before the major American hard court Masters' tournaments of Miami and Indian Wells, where he needs to gain big points for a good start to the season, and in many ways it doesn't make much sense to play on hard courts in Australia and then switch to clay for one week with these important US tournaments coming up. At the end of the day, David has to focus on what is best for him and his future career - not on what he may sentimentally prefer to do. This is why, after Wimbledon, he ignores the European clay court tournaments that all the other South Americans play (like Kitzbuehal and Stuttgart), to concentrate on the hard courts in America prior to the US Open. I would obviously prefer him to stay in Europe, but it would be to his detriment and I accept that and respect his choices. By playing in Bs As (where he is unlikely to beat clay-court specialsts like Coria and Moya) he could adversely affect his chances to rise in the rankings by playing tourneys with more points like Rotterdam, where the surface is more suitable to his game. Also, unfortunately, in the great world of tennis, Bs As is not considered to be a major tournament, which is why the likes of Federer, Hewitt, Ferrero, Roddick, Agassi etc do not play, and at the end of the day - David is trying to compete with those elite players on their level and must act accordingly.That is just my opinion anyway. Hope I have not offended by my comments.

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I understand your point Rosie, but it's not often that he gets to play in Buenos Aires. I am not sure if Rios never played the Chilean Open when he was fit, he would have been hanged.

David has to be prepared to be grilled very badly by the media if he turns his back on this event.

Roddick wouldn't have the guts to come to South America and if the GWH calendar is in place, then B.A would be a bigger tournament, and it's not as if it's going to be a weak tournament.

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
Machado wins 6-2 6-1
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I understand your point Rosie, but it's not often that he gets to play in Buenos Aires. I am not sure if Rios never played the Chilean Open when he was fit, he would have been hanged.

David has to be prepared to be grilled very badly by the media if he turns his back on this event.

Roddick wouldn't have the guts to come to South America and if the GWH calendar is in place, then B.A would be a bigger tournament, and it's not as if it's going to be a weak tournament.
I understand yours too GWH - but I don't agree - if people grill David badly over this, then so be it - if they looked at the wider picture and put his interests first, then maybe they wouldn't. I remember a few years ago, there used to be a clay court tourney here in England (you'll remember it - in Bournemouth). To the best of my knowledge and memory, Henman and Rusedski never played there because they don't like clay and it didn't fit in with their career plans or schedules. They were never harangued about it though - people just accepted they were doing what was best for them and accepted their choices.

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I understand yours too GWH - but I don't agree - if people grill David badly over this, then so be it - if they looked at the wider picture and put his interests first, then maybe they wouldn't.
That won't happen as you are well aware of how proud they are in Argentina, and I think if a player of David's calibre doesn't play, then they will be insulted. I mean obviously it's his choice and has to take the consequences for that, but I think he should play the tournament, but if not it's understandable.

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I remember a few years ago, there used to be a clay court tourney here in England (you'll remember it - in Bournemouth). To the best of my knowledge and memory, Henman and Rusedski never played there because they don't like clay and it didn't fit in with their career plans or schedules. They were never harangued about it though - people just accepted they were doing what was best for them and accepted their choices.
How could I forget the Bournemouth tournament the one Captain Charisma Felix Mantilla dominated and Costa won as well, as for Henman and Rusedski not being there, well they have more opportunities to play in their country, especially at that toffee club not far from you, which has a tournament called Wimbledon.

On Nadal bumping him on the changeover, Rosol said: "It's ok, he wanted to take my concentration; I knew he would try something".


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I definitely would have preferred Gaba winning as he needs the points much more, but Jan would have beaten him anyway. I expect Hajek to destroy Machado, like 6-1 6-2.
Machado wins 6-2 6-1

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well I can see both sides, just 1 tounement in Argentina, and well David is Argentinian. SO then why not play in your home country.

But well we all know he had a tough year, and its also a fact that he loves to play on Hardcourt and not clay, and like Rosie is saying, there are a lot of clayspecialist, so it will be hard to win it.

So yes, maybe it would be a good decision for him not to play BS AS, so that he can play another tournement, where he just can win more points,and what isn't an clay tournement so that he doesn't need to switch surfaces and reach the goal he wants get being number 1 of the world.
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He has to win title to become number 1 in the world, and as for missing B.A, it's a tough decision. He is talented enough to handle the change in surfaces very quickly, though I remember Gonzo winning Vina Del Mar, then flying to Rotterdam and losing in the 1st round.
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He has to win title to become number 1 in the world, and as for missing B.A, it's a tough decision. He is talented enough to handle the change in surfaces very quickly, though I remember Gonzo winning Vina Del Mar, then flying to Rotterdam and losing in the 1st round.
There is no way he can reach the latter stages of Bs As, and then cope with a long journey and jet lag to give a good account of himself in Rotterdam. I know I'm probably in the minority here and making myself very unpopular, but I don't see what the big deal is missing Bs As if it is the right decision for him and his chosen career. As 1NightStandRule says - he has to win titles to become Number 1 and he has more chance of winning a hardcourt one than a clay court one, and he isn't going to learn how to combat the dreaded Roddick serve (which is lethal on hardcourts) by playing on clay.

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And I have a feeling that David, as diverse as his game is, will not allow himself to be considered "just another South American clay courter", like many of his compatriots. He, like his fellow top tenners, is looking to expand his game and increase his exposure, so why not? Why not compete with the best for the best?

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And I have a feeling that David, as diverse as his game is, will not allow himself to be considered "just another South American clay courter", like many of his compatriots. He, like his fellow top tenners, is looking to expand his game and increase his exposure, so why not? Why not compete with the best for the best?
I totally agree Sigma. To be considered "the best" you have to compete with the best and prove you are worthy to complete with them and and beat them too. David's results in Madrid and Basel (and previously at Wimbledon and US Open) have proved he is not another clay court specialist but a more well-rounded player and I think this is an incredilby sensible and brave decision by him and his advisers. To risk success in Miami and Indian Wells by messing up his hardcourt prepartion with a week on clay is sheer madness in my opinion. With the possible exception of Moya, none of the other players playing the South American circuit are likely to get as far on hardcourts as David, and he must consider that. Even J-C Ferrero and Tommy Robredo have opted for European indoor hard tournaments at that time of year instead of clay because they feel it will be better preparation for the Masters - don't see why David should be treated any differently for his purely business decision. The clay court season is between April and June in the run-up to Roland Garros - and there is a strong feeling here in Europe that people only play on it at other times because they don't think they'll get sufficient points on any other surface. David obviously has the strength of mind and belief in his ability to do what he believes in. Good Luck to him!

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Exactly, Rosie. As much as it would mean to the general public in Argentina to see him compete in Bs As, would it serve the "greater good" for him? I don't think so.

Maybe this decision is a result of the intense media scrutiny he's been subject to in Argentina? It wouldn't be a surprise to me if that were part of the reason to skip Bs As., as that would certainly prove to be a greater distraction than the tournament itself.

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