Tennis Tipping - Indian Wells - Congrats to Crvena Zvezda & Crvena Zvezda/molosztash - Page 42 - MensTennisForums.com

 
LinkBack Thread Tools
post #616 of 964 (permalink) Old 03-07-2013, 09:16 PM
♤23♤
 
Deathless Mortal's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 32,970
                     
Re: Tennis Tipping - Indian Wells - Thursday Diffs Posted - Posts 545 and 546

IMO no one consciously chooses not to send to both managers. It's probably just an honest mistake, so I think the right thing to do would be to give a warning, and then if it happens again in the same tournament disqualify that player. This is just a game, such strict rules ruin the fun of it.


"a kad me opet gore vrati zahvalit' ću Mu prvo
što nam je dao komad zemlje što je za sebe sačuv'o"
Deathless Mortal is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #617 of 964 (permalink) Old 03-07-2013, 09:19 PM
Registered User
 
orangehat's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 11,504
                     
Re: Tennis Tipping - Indian Wells - Thursday Diffs Posted - Posts 545 and 546

Quote:
Originally Posted by Deathless Mortal View Post
IMO no one consciously chooses not to send to both managers. It's probably just an honest mistake, so I think the right thing to do would be to give a warning, and then if it happens again in the same tournament disqualify that player. This is just a game, such strict rules ruin the fun of it.
I agree with this, but I guess if anybody wants this they'd have to raise it during the off-season.

Tennis Tipping

Singles: (--/10) Finals: 1-5 ATP, 3-1 Challengers
W: Rotterdam '12
Slams:1R,3R,3R,QF

Doubles: (--/5) Finals: 3-4 ATP, 8-7 Challengers
W: US Open '12 (w/Allez-Alejo), Bercy '11 (w/ZackBusner), Winston-Salem '12 (w/Betty)
Slams:2R,3R,QF,W
orangehat is offline  
post #618 of 964 (permalink) Old 03-07-2013, 09:22 PM
Registered User
 
JeffCandoi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: BRASIL
Age: 32
Posts: 6,802
                     
Re: Tennis Tipping - Indian Wells - Thursday Diffs Posted - Posts 545 and 546

Ok I understad, I'm out by a rule it's not written It was the thing I really didnt want to read

I'm not saying it's your fault, adey. I said it was my mistake, I was discuting the "penalty", too hard and not written

lets end this to make cvezda a bit happier

TT Code of conduct

2.19 The manager will be courteous and considerate at all times, even when provoked.

2.21 Despite the shortage of managers, a manager who fails to adhere to the code may be warned and if necessary removed by the TT Board

JeffCandoi/Duncan in TT

2007: Brasov CH
2008: Brasil Open & Acapulco
2009: Umag & Genoa CH
2010: Roland Garros, Newport, Bastad, Toronto, Cincinnati, London WTF
2011: Rotterdam & Valencia
2012: Estoril, Bastad, Bangkok
2013: Sydney, Estoril, Nottingham Ch, Cali Ch
2014: Chennai, Buenos Aires
2015: Sao Paulo Ch
JeffCandoi is offline  
post #619 of 964 (permalink) Old 03-07-2013, 09:23 PM
Registered User
 
JeffCandoi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: BRASIL
Age: 32
Posts: 6,802
                     
Re: Tennis Tipping - Indian Wells - Thursday Diffs Posted - Posts 545 and 546

I said it in my first complaining.. maybe a warning, not the worst penalty. It's not written

JeffCandoi/Duncan in TT

2007: Brasov CH
2008: Brasil Open & Acapulco
2009: Umag & Genoa CH
2010: Roland Garros, Newport, Bastad, Toronto, Cincinnati, London WTF
2011: Rotterdam & Valencia
2012: Estoril, Bastad, Bangkok
2013: Sydney, Estoril, Nottingham Ch, Cali Ch
2014: Chennai, Buenos Aires
2015: Sao Paulo Ch
JeffCandoi is offline  
post #620 of 964 (permalink) Old 03-07-2013, 09:29 PM
Registered User
 
JeffCandoi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: BRASIL
Age: 32
Posts: 6,802
                     
Re: Tennis Tipping - Indian Wells - Thursday Diffs Posted - Posts 545 and 546

Quote:
Originally Posted by Deathless Mortal View Post
IMO no one consciously chooses not to send to both managers. It's probably just an honest mistake, so I think the right thing to do would be to give a warning, and then if it happens again in the same tournament disqualify that player. This is just a game, such strict rules ruin the fun of it.
congrats by this point of view

JeffCandoi/Duncan in TT

2007: Brasov CH
2008: Brasil Open & Acapulco
2009: Umag & Genoa CH
2010: Roland Garros, Newport, Bastad, Toronto, Cincinnati, London WTF
2011: Rotterdam & Valencia
2012: Estoril, Bastad, Bangkok
2013: Sydney, Estoril, Nottingham Ch, Cali Ch
2014: Chennai, Buenos Aires
2015: Sao Paulo Ch
JeffCandoi is offline  
post #621 of 964 (permalink) Old 03-07-2013, 09:32 PM
-LIFETIME MEMBER-
 
rvugt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Nijmegen
Age: 30
Posts: 6,943
                     
Re: Tennis Tipping - Indian Wells - Thursday Diffs Posted - Posts 545 and 546

Quote:
Originally Posted by Deathless Mortal View Post
IMO no one consciously chooses not to send to both managers. It's probably just an honest mistake, so I think the right thing to do would be to give a warning, and then if it happens again in the same tournament disqualify that player. This is just a game, such strict rules ruin the fun of it.
Completely agree here!

Member of Suicide tennis board!

For all tt results from the past:

http://tt-statistics.info/
rvugt is offline  
post #622 of 964 (permalink) Old 03-07-2013, 09:33 PM
Registered User
 
justafanYYC's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 4,866
                     
Re: Tennis Tipping - Indian Wells - Thursday Diffs Posted - Posts 545 and 546

Quote:
Originally Posted by Deathless Mortal View Post
IMO no one consciously chooses not to send to both managers. It's probably just an honest mistake, so I think the right thing to do would be to give a warning, and then if it happens again in the same tournament disqualify that player. This is just a game, such strict rules ruin the fun of it.

But we had this discussion most of last year of players not sending correctly. Again I believe that Jeff and Brazil didn't mean to not send to both and it was an honest mistake. I still have their records of the 2012 US Open picks and they sent to both managers every time. But that's the same honest mistake as I didn't mean to send at 12:01.

For 2013 the board has decided to stamp down. It has to start somewhere. Too often players were sending to the OOP-creator and not the manager. And in the grand slams to the wrong manager of the two. Then when the deadline comes and people want differences (diffs?) the manager needs to replace a player because the OOP-creator is asleep and has no responsibility to check his imbox. Sometimes the manager has to reconfigure the draw because of the new rule of the highest-seed getting the back. What's worse then a LL who thought he was in the tournament but then get kicked out again because someones picks were found hours later. All that work has to be undone and the manager spends the rest of his day doing it. From my personal experiences, in the 2012 Us Open orangehat and I sent countless PMs "hey buddy, do you have xxxxx picks, how bout xxxxx, i'm missing about 10 guys.".

The Australian Open was the warning. AdeyC and ESimp asked players to send to both and would send out warning messages for those who didn't. The 1st round of the AO was such a disaster of players sending picks incorrectly all over the place it became famously known as the '8-hour Australian Open Disaster". We do not want any managers to go through that again. Adrian finally got fed up and actually didn't take andyroddlicks doubles finals picks, although in the end it didn't matter, they still won.

Tennis Tipping Ranking
Singles Championships: ★ ★
2013 CH Yeongwol (outdoor hard)
2011 CH Samarkand (outdoor clay)

Doubles Championships:
2013 Masters 1000 Montreal (w/joe87) (outdoor hard)
2014 ATP 250 Casablanca (w/joe87) (outdoor clay)
2012 Special Olympic Tournament London (w/traddles) (outdoor grass)

Last edited by justafanYYC; 03-07-2013 at 09:38 PM.
justafanYYC is offline  
post #623 of 964 (permalink) Old 03-07-2013, 09:39 PM
Registered User
 
JeffCandoi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: BRASIL
Age: 32
Posts: 6,802
                     
Re: Tennis Tipping - Indian Wells - Thursday Diffs Posted - Posts 545 and 546

so there's a rule something like "The players who send picks only for double's managers will be automatically disqualified in the singles tournament". right?

JeffCandoi/Duncan in TT

2007: Brasov CH
2008: Brasil Open & Acapulco
2009: Umag & Genoa CH
2010: Roland Garros, Newport, Bastad, Toronto, Cincinnati, London WTF
2011: Rotterdam & Valencia
2012: Estoril, Bastad, Bangkok
2013: Sydney, Estoril, Nottingham Ch, Cali Ch
2014: Chennai, Buenos Aires
2015: Sao Paulo Ch
JeffCandoi is offline  
post #624 of 964 (permalink) Old 03-07-2013, 09:54 PM
Registered User
 
sfar's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 3,043
                     
It happened to me last week, sent to my doubles partner, but not to the manager. It was MY mistake,I went out of the tournament and I guarantee you one thing: I wont forget to check who I send the picks to before sending them from now on.

Entry List / Draw Maker - TT Interactive Rankings
tennistipping.zz.mu


Tennis Tipping
Best rankings:
Singles: 132 (18/06/2012)
Doubles: 88 (06/08/2012)
sfar is offline  
post #625 of 964 (permalink) Old 03-07-2013, 09:56 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Rancagua
Posts: 2,112
                     
Re: Tennis Tipping - Indian Wells - Thursday Diffs Posted - Posts 545 and 546

I dont know why I bet Zverev.. Stupid mistake
stbanchile is offline  
post #626 of 964 (permalink) Old 03-07-2013, 10:00 PM
Registered User
 
Crvena Zvezda's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Nîmes, France
Posts: 5,242
                     
Re: Tennis Tipping - Indian Wells - Thursday Diffs Posted - Posts 545 and 546

Quote:
Originally Posted by stbanchile View Post
I dont know why I bet Zverev.. Stupid mistake
The same here !

Overrated him with his two wins over a tired Vasselin and a jet-laged Stakhovsky.

202 WEEKS AT #1 - 16.950 ATP points
FIRST IN HISTORY GRAND SLAM AND WTF HOLDER
NOVAK DJOKOVIC
NIKOLA MILOJEVIC - MIOMIR KECMANOVIC
Crvena Zvezda is offline  
post #627 of 964 (permalink) Old 03-07-2013, 10:04 PM
Registered User
 
jervisjames's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Sydney, Australia
Age: 43
Posts: 5,080
                     
Re: Tennis Tipping - Indian Wells - Thursday Diffs Posted - Posts 545 and 546

Quote:
Originally Posted by JeffCandoi View Post
so there's a rule something like "The players who send picks only for double's managers will be automatically disqualified in the singles tournament". right?
No, the rule is you have to send to the manager.
In singles, the manager is AdeyC.
In doubles, the manager is justafanYYC.

Did you send to the manager? Answer = No.

The End
jervisjames is offline  
post #628 of 964 (permalink) Old 03-07-2013, 10:07 PM
Registered User
 
Blue Heart24's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Croatia
Posts: 31,650
                     
Re: Tennis Tipping - Indian Wells - Thursday Diffs Posted - Posts 545 and 546

Quote:
Originally Posted by AdeyC View Post
Because say I got run over by a bus this morning, there would be the other manager who would have the picks.
And I'm not saying sending to both managers is wrong,on the contrary,but I think you have to bare in mind that there are people who don't read all the stuff in the OOP post,or don't understand English well,and imo if the other manager got the picks,and he forwards it to you in reasonable amount of time after the matches have started those picks could be counted.I know how much job you guys have,I've managed some smaller events and tournaments like this are twice as hard,but simply I think people should be allowed to play even if they were a bit reckless and didn't do exactly as it's written in the OOP post.
Blue Heart24 is offline  
post #629 of 964 (permalink) Old 03-07-2013, 10:09 PM
Registered User
 
JeffCandoi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: BRASIL
Age: 32
Posts: 6,802
                     
Re: Tennis Tipping - Indian Wells - Thursday Diffs Posted - Posts 545 and 546

Quote:
Originally Posted by jervisjames View Post
No, the rule is you have to send to the manager.
In singles, the manager is AdeyC.
In doubles, the manager is justafanYYC.

Did you send to the manager? Answer = No.

The End
So you are the guy with specials power to says the end? Answer = No.

Read the rule again and get back here, it's not specified.. and no mentions about disqualification

JeffCandoi/Duncan in TT

2007: Brasov CH
2008: Brasil Open & Acapulco
2009: Umag & Genoa CH
2010: Roland Garros, Newport, Bastad, Toronto, Cincinnati, London WTF
2011: Rotterdam & Valencia
2012: Estoril, Bastad, Bangkok
2013: Sydney, Estoril, Nottingham Ch, Cali Ch
2014: Chennai, Buenos Aires
2015: Sao Paulo Ch
JeffCandoi is offline  
post #630 of 964 (permalink) Old 03-07-2013, 10:15 PM Thread Starter
-LIFETIME MEMBER-
 
AdeyC's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 14,173
                     
Re: Tennis Tipping - Indian Wells - Thursday Diffs Posted - Posts 545 and 546

Quote:
Originally Posted by Blue Heart24 View Post
And I'm not saying sending to both managers is wrong,on the contrary,but I think you have to bare in mind that there are people who don't read all the stuff in the OOP post,or don't understand English well,and imo if the other manager got the picks,and he forwards it to you in reasonable amount of time after the matches have started those picks could be counted.I know how much job you guys have,I've managed some smaller events and tournaments like this are twice as hard,but simply I think people should be allowed to play even if they were a bit reckless and didn't do exactly as it's written in the OOP post.
Peter basically says it all in a nutshell, in the doubles final of the Aussie Open it was decided not to accept the picks of one player (although I was the singles manager there, not the doubles manager it had my support). The issue arose then and I raised the matter with and cleared it with the rest of the Board.

He's been playing the game a lot longer than me, 2007 by his signature. It's now 4.25 hours since the deadline - I do not have the picks in my inbox. Do you think it right that when/if I get them that appleGirl is booted out of the draw?????????

This is the reason that we decided to make it a concrete rule - there's not really any need for the last 3 pages of discussions here.

You can contact me on my TF Account or adriancollins@hotmail.com. I rarely log on here anymore as became TF Admin.
AdeyC is offline  
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the MensTennisForums.com forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in









Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.



Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page



Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome