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Re: Canadian Players 2

PLD and Vasek are becoming my favorite Canucks. PLD deserves a main draw WC for the Rogers Cup this summer. At one point, he was Canada #3. He is underrated in these boards.
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PLD and Vasek are becoming my favorite Canucks. PLD deserves a main draw WC for the Rogers Cup this summer. At one point, he was Canada #3. He is underrated in these boards.
Over who? The fact that he didn't get one in 2009 when you are right, he was the #3 ranked Canadian says it all. That year bot he and Milos got QD WCs. Milos beat Gabashvili and Llodra to qualify as an 18 year old. Duclos lost badly 62 62. He doesn't represent Canada in DC, he doesn't play much in Canada.

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Agree completely with Snowwy..PLD has had the worst year of his career by far and only last week has he made a change. Go back and look at his horrible results over the past 6 months, he was often losing to unranked players in qualifying matches. It looks like he may have turned the corner BUT there is no way he deserves a WC over Dancevic, Polansky (who even though is also having a horrible year, he was qualified for grand slam tournaments including winning a main draw match and has won a match at the rogers cup main draw), Vasek or Bester (Maindraw WC tend to go to players that play Davis Cup which Bester is playing next week).

But he definitely deserves a qualifying WC.
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If it was me deciding

MD: Frank, Peter, Vasek, Hewitt
QD: Bester, Chvojka, Diez, PLD

If we are keeping them all in Canada, options include Stevenson, Peliwo, Krainik

If I had to bet, I would say Krainik since Peliwo is still very young and Krainik also got it last year, but one could make the case that he had his chance and it should go to Stevenson.

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I think Snowwy has nailed it, I totally agree with what you say for WCs

As for PLD, I think he has had his MD WC chance last year, he'll have to really up his level to get another in his career.
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If it was me deciding

MD: Frank, Peter, Vasek, Hewitt
QD: Bester, Chvojka, Diez, PLD

If we are keeping them all in Canada, options include Stevenson, Peliwo, Krainik

If I had to bet, I would say Krainik since Peliwo is still very young and Krainik also got it last year, but one could make the case that he had his chance and it should go to Stevenson.
Hewitt getting a WC? wtf? Give it to Bester at least. That mug doesnt deserve a WC. Strictly Canadian.
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Hewitt getting a WC? wtf? Give it to Bester at least. That mug doesnt deserve a WC. Strictly Canadian.
I agree about giving it to Bester, but we have to be realistic as well, Hewitt is a great champion who has given us two or three great matches in majors this year, it's hard to say no to a guy like that if he were to ask, he has always come in the past and unlike Bester has been dedicated to tennis longer than a year and a half.

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Hewitt getting a WC? wtf? Give it to Bester at least. That mug doesnt deserve a WC. Strictly Canadian.
i can understand wanting to get as many canadians in the draw as possible but in another view you have to look at who has a better chance of winning a match or 2 and if lleyton is in the situation where he needs a wild card and asks for one i think he deserves one.
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i can understand wanting to get as many canadians in the draw as possible but in another view you have to look at who has a better chance of winning a match or 2 and if lleyton is in the situation where he needs a wild card and asks for one i think he deserves one.
Yeah, if you only looked at who would have the best chance of winning why not just all four to the next four highest ranked players? That's why I disagree with your point. How often do you see countries give WCs to imports?

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im talking about if the situation is where lleyton asks for a wild card and lets say theirs only one left to give do you give it to lleyton or philipp?

thats what i meant by saying that

obviously you have to take more into account then who can win a match but thats going to be part of what goes in to making the desicion( i would think)
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In an ideal world, I would give out 8 wildcards to 8 CANADIANS. I'd try to put in as many Canadians as possible in this event. If I had a chance, I'd literally fill up half the freaking tournament with Canadians. Seriously, when's the last time we've seen a Canadian win the Rogers Cup? Seriously? I'm annoyed and tired seeing foreigners always winning this event and crushing the Canadian players. I mean, Nadal, Federer and all those guys are great players and all and I respect that but first and foremost I want to see a Canadian win this event badly. I'm a proud Canadian and want Canada to win all the time. Heck, I even think an Australian or a British will an Australian Open or Wimbledon before we see a Canadian winning the Rogers Cup. Just terrible. I hope Milos shows all these mugs who's buss and wins the Rogers Cup at some point in his career. Go Canada!
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im talking about if the situation is where lleyton asks for a wild card and lets say theirs only one left to give do you give it to lleyton or philipp?

thats what i meant by saying that

obviously you have to take more into account then who can win a match but thats going to be part of what goes in to making the desicion( i would think)
Oh I agree completely, and that is why I think they will pick Hewitt. But it has to be a player that has some sort of history.

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In an ideal world, I would give out 8 wildcards to 8 CANADIANS. I'd try to put in as many Canadians as possible in this event. If I had a chance, I'd literally fill up half the freaking tournament with Canadians. Seriously, when's the last time we've seen a Canadian win the Rogers Cup? Seriously? I'm annoyed and tired seeing foreigners always winning this event and crushing the Canadian players. I mean, Nadal, Federer and all those guys are great players and all and I respect that but first and foremost I want to see a Canadian win this event badly. I'm a proud Canadian and want Canada to win all the time. Heck, I even think an Australian or a British will an Australian Open or Wimbledon before we see a Canadian winning the Rogers Cup. Just terrible. I hope Milos shows all these mugs who's buss and wins the Rogers Cup at some point in his career. Go Canada!
"Tired of seeing foreigners always winning this event" - I cant decide if this post is delusional or knee jerk nationalism. I appreciate your enthusiasm for Canadian tennis and our great country, but its not because of the lack of wildcards for Canadian players in the MD that a Canuck hasn't won the Rogers Cup. Its a lack of quality.

Personally, I dont subscribe to the view that all wildcards need to be exclusively for Canadians. I think Tomic's recent run at Wimbledon - as well as Milos' run in the Aussie - shows there is real value in making up and coming guys tough out the qualies and prove they belong. Ask Donald Young. For this reason I do agree with you, however, that as far as qualy wildcards are concerned, all of them should be for Canadians.

For the MD wildcards, Frank and Peter have proven in the past they deserve a wildcard and if anything allow the schedulers a good Monday evening centre court match, so they should get one no doubt. Maybe this year you add one for Vasek as well, if only for his Davis Cup commitment and the fact he's clearly on the upswing in his career. But other than that, I dont see any reason why giving a wildcard to Phil, PLD, Diez, Eric, or anyone else is good for the tournament or the players. Getting crushed in the first round does nothing for these guys beyond providing a nice payday compared to what they are used to playing for.

I would love to see a Canadian win the Rogers Cup, but realistically the only guy playing right now with even a remote shot one day to win the Rogers is Milos, and he will get in on merit. A guy like Hewitt has the ability to make it farther in the MD than the Canadians I listed and shouldn't be ignored if a request comes along. As a tennis fan, its great to see your countrymen do well, but if I'm paying for tickets I'd rather see quality tennis and good competition than a bunch of Canadians thrown into the deep end and be eliminated from the tournament in about an hour.
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Wow, even our friend Milan Pokrajac is on the entry list, haven't heard about him in years it seems, he was a decent top 500 player, guess it wasn't enough to motivate him to continue on a pro career
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Wow, even our friend Milan Pokrajac is on the entry list, haven't heard about him in years it seems, he was a decent top 500 player, guess it wasn't enough to motivate him to continue on a pro career
Which entry list? Great to see him back, I always liked cheering for him. Terrible first round loses in 22 of 25 tournaments of the year and three great weeks. Early version of Diez.

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