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2017 second quarter swing : from Monte Carlo to Roland Garros

I thought I'd make a new thread for the next couple of months that encompass the clay season. Here's to hoping that Grigor has a good run at the clay Masters...and maybe even RG if we're lucky.
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Re: 2017 second quarter swing : from Monte Carlo to Roland Garros

He showed before he can do well on clay, but he needs to do something about 2nd serve returns. Run around when it's possible, but when isn't: either do like Wawrinka/Thiem and return a moonball going backwards or hit on the rise trying to make a return winner. Slicing the returns isn't a good option on clay.

I think he will do better than last year, even because doing worst is only possible if he goes 0-4.

I would be satisfied with something like this:
Monte Carlo QF, Madrid SF, Rome QF, Roland Garros QF = 960 points.

In other words, get around 1000 points in the clay season and it's adequate, probably this would give a top 8 seeding heading to Wimbledon.
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Re: 2017 second quarter swing : from Monte Carlo to Roland Garros

That would be a great clay season. I think his game is better suited for MC than Indian Wells/Miami, since the latter two have miserable conditions. Taking a page out of Federer's 2017 playbook would be great for the backhand return. He's shown that he can return really fast 1st serves on that wing, so it stands that he should be able to drive through spinny 2nd serves on the rise. However, I can say from personal experience that this is much easier said than done. Getting a racquet on a 200kmh ball is easier in some respects than swinging through a 160kmh one that's shoulder-height. I also hope that he's learning from his losses and regains focus soon because the win in Sofia obviously deflated his drive significantly. He's got a lot more to accomplish before the end of his career, preferably becoming the first Bulgarian to win a slam.
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Re: 2017 second quarter swing : from Monte Carlo to Roland Garros

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He showed before he can do well on clay, but he needs to do something about 2nd serve returns. Run around when it's possible, but when isn't: either do like Wawrinka/Thiem and return a moonball going backwards or hit on the rise trying to make a return winner. Slicing the returns isn't a good option on clay.

I think he will do better than last year, even because doing worst is only possible if he goes 0-4.

I would be satisfied with something like this:
Monte Carlo QF, Madrid SF, Rome QF, Roland Garros QF = 960 points.

In other words, get around 1000 points in the clay season and it's adequate, probably this would give a top 8 seeding heading to Wimbledon.
Yep I would be happy with that too, clay is his worst surface we can't expect too much. This would be sufficient for me. If he wins one MS I'll be over the moon(unless it's against Fed in the final )
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Yep I would be happy with that too, clay is his worst surface we can't expect too much. This would be sufficient for me. If he wins one MS I'll be over the moon(unless it's against Fed in the final )
Technically slowass hard (Indian Wells/Miami) is his worst surface. I actually think Grigor could be a good clay courter with a couple of tweaks to his game, tactically speaking. He was denied by Nadal and Gasquet during his better runs, which is nothing to be ashamed of. You're right though. We shouldn't get our hopes up. 500+ points should be enough for now.
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Technically slowass hard (Indian Wells/Miami) is his worst surface. I actually think Grigor could be a good clay courter with a couple of tweaks to his game, tactically speaking. He was denied by Nadal and Gasquet during his better runs, which is nothing to be ashamed of. You're right though. We shouldn't get our hopes up. 500+ points should be enough for now.
Being denied by Gasquet in any court is actually something to be ashamed of, but fortunatelly he was never denied by him in one of his better runs, he wasn't going very far neither in RG 2012 nor in Rome 2013.

Currently seeded 10th for Monte Carlo, hopefully a couple of withdrawals (Murray, Raonic, Monfils the candidates) can put him in the top 8 and give a bye in R1.
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Being denied by Gasquet in any court is actually something to be ashamed of, but fortunatelly he was never denied by him in one of his better runs, he wasn't going very far neither in RG 2012 nor in Rome 2013.

Currently seeded 10th for Monte Carlo, hopefully a couple of withdrawals (Murray, Raonic, Monfils the candidates) can put him in the top 8 and give a bye in R1.


Slightly less shameful than losing to Benneteau in a slam. At least Gasquet was a top 10 player.


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Tough to pick his worst slam loss of 2013: Benneteau, Zemlja or Sousa.

I'd say Sousa, I remember the odds for Joćo were ove 10.00 in that match.

PS Gasquet actually is better on grass than he is on clay. A few grass titles and 2 Wimbledon SF's.
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Tough to pick his worst slam loss of 2013: Benneteau, Zemlja or Sousa.



I'd say Sousa, I remember the odds for Joćo were ove 10.00 in that match.



PS Gasquet actually is better on grass than he is on clay. A few grass titles and 2 Wimbledon SF's.


Let's hope that this year doesn't give us awful slam losses like that.
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Re: 2017 second quarter swing : from Monte Carlo to Roland Garros

Seems like Grigor will play Morocco. It is not official yet, but apparently the source is trustworthy (I've been told):



I am not sure how I feel about this:

On the one hand, I do not think it is a good idea: another tight loss here (God forbid in a final) against a nobody like Swantz-man (he plays there too by the way) would destroy his accumulated self-confidence and ruin completely any chances of a decent clay-season. Working hard for some meagre 160 points (max.), also not justified from my point of view...

On the other hand, we are getting to see him play sooner than anticipated, so I am happy on that account...
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Wow, that's surprising indeed, but I'd say it's better to play before Madrid, like he did the last couple of year. Maybe it's a good practice for the clay season up ahead.

Probably a nice paycheck happened too.

Hopefully he plays Ouahab at some point, two legend sharing the same court.

Marrakesh and Monte Carlo in following weeks, then two weeks of rest, following with Madrid and Rome.
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Seems like Grigor will play Morocco. It is not official yet, but apparently the source is trustworthy (I've been told):



I am not sure how I feel about this:

On the one hand, I do not think it is a good idea: another tight loss here (God forbid in a final) against a nobody like Swantz-man (he plays there too by the way) would destroy his accumulated self-confidence and ruin completely any chances of a decent clay-season. Working hard for some meagre 160 points (max.), also not justified from my point of view...

On the other hand, we are getting to see him play sooner than anticipated, so I am happy on that account...
Istanbul was rock-bottom for Grigor. However, I think it needed to happen for him to make a change. I also don't see him having a meltdown like that ever again. He might lose in the final of a clay 250 but I don't think it'll ruin his confidence any more than losing in a hardcourt slam SF against Nadal after coming within striking distance of victory several times.
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Has anyone any confirmation about Grigor playing in Morocco?
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Yeah is it official now or? Anyway I'm glad with this decision because we've not watched him play much tennis lately

I enjoyed seeing Federer dominate but I need Dimitrov to win too
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I think it's good that he playing Marrakesh. He's only played 3 matches in the last 7 weeks so he's well-rested. He needs to focus on regain the momentum he lost last month and the only way to do that is to play more matches. He has not entered any of the tournaments in the two weeks between Monte Carlo and Madrid so he'll have time to rest. The draw isn't too difficult so he should be able to win a couple of matches and find his clay court game.

My hope for his clay season:

Morocco: F (I'd prefer a W but even a final would be a good sign)
Monte Carlo: 3R
Madrid: QF (For some strange reason, he's had the least amount of success here among the three clay masters despite the fact that these courts should suit his game the most)
Rome: QF
French Open: 4R

Add on a strong run at Queen's Club and he might be able to sneak a top 8 seed for Wimbledon. His biggest rivals for it are Tsonga, Berdych, and Nadal.

Let's hope for a good clay season.



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Yeah is it official now or? Anyway I'm glad with this decision because we've not watched him play much tennis lately

I enjoyed seeing Federer dominate but I need Dimitrov to win too
He has taken a wildcard into Morocco.

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