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#1 ·
Roger Federer reached all four slam finals in 2007, Nadal reached 3 finals and a quarter final.

Roger won the prestigious Tennis Masters Cup. We will have to wait to see if Nadal can win the WTF.

Federer won 8 titles in 2007, including 3 grand slams.

Nadal won 3 grand slams in 2010, including the prestigious RG Wimbledon double. He also won 3 slams in a row.

Both players had interesting slam draws. Federer had to beat world number two Rafael Nadal in Wimbledon final, and a very on fire Djokovic in the US Open. Nadal had to beat Bird Itch in Wimbledon final and a very tired Djokovitch in Us Open final.

2007 was probably Federers least impressive 3 slam season, 2010 was Nadals best season so far one would have to think.

So who had a better season?

Discuss.
The floor is yours. Have at it.
 
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#3,695 ·
lol at people thinkin Nadal can volley.
Davy passes Nadal at the net like there's no tomorrow :haha: Nabull N/Anull
 
#3,704 · (Edited)
We may have our biased impressions, but the former pros do also. McEnroe may have more knowledge about the net game than almost anyone else on the planet, and if that's the case, then logically he wouldn't call Rafa the best volleyer on tour. Underrated surely, but there are at least ten better pure volleyers I can name right off the top of my head. Llodra, Stepanek, Mahut, Haas, Kohlschreiber, Brown, Stakhovsky, Tsonga, Fish (though he's out now), Hewitt.... you could even argue Murray too.
 
#3,705 ·
I told you already that McEnroe said best among the top guys. And while no one is unbiased, expertise is certainly better than nothing which is basically the issue for posters on a forum most of whom have barely played and certainly no one here has at elite ATP levels.

Your list is debatable in any case but I have no interest in doing so.
 
#3,706 ·
He isn't even the best among the top guys though because he isn't better than Federer. And as for the list, he certainly isn't a better volleyer than Llodra, Stepanek, Mahut, and Haas - at least not in terms of the overall net game.
 
#3,707 ·
You say Nadal's not better than Federer at net but McEnroe and other pros disagree along with an increasing number of fans.

That's what this whole debate is really about for you obviously since you are a major Roger fan.
It's not even like you allow for the possibility that one of the greatest players at net in history might be seeing more clearly than you. You just state your opinion as if it were fact but it isn't even remotely a fact.

By the way, even Henman today was saying that Federer isn't a natural at net and the other guys you mention aren't top players.

Let's drop this for now.
 
#3,708 ·
Nadal isn't better than Federer at net. Period. Nobody but McEnroe has ever said Rafa is the best volleyer of the top 10 guys because that would be ludicrous. Roger is not the best volleyer ever but he's in that second tier of volleying greats behind Mac, Edberg, Rafter, Sampras, Llodra, et al.
 
#3,714 · (Edited)
Nadal isn't better than Federer at net. Period. Nobody but McEnroe has ever said Rafa is the best volleyer of the top 10 guys because that would be ludicrous. Roger is not the best volleyer ever but he's in that second tier of volleying greats behind Mac, Edberg, Rafter, Sampras, Llodra, et al.
It's not only era's you care about warrior. :wavey:

Don't worry, Federer's status as a volleyer isn't changing because of your opinion. Or is that what worries you so much? :)
 
#3,713 ·
Definitely Rafa is not the best volleyer in top 100. Stepanek is the best among top100 and has wonderful volley because he plays doubles at a very high level. Rafa's volleying ability are underrated as the guy won 8 doubles titles and there you don't get to choose when you're gonna volley. Your reflexes at the net and ur volleying ability is necessary for doubles.
Rafa played doubles to improve his volleying and net game which was non-existent.
Rafa plays smartly that he only approaches net when he is sure of the return unlike many who just wanna volley w/o worrying whether their earlier shot was good enough to approach net. That's why they often get passed.
In the end if you're approaching the net 50 times and losing 20 of those points it's not a good strategy. It shows that your plan is to serve and volley but you are not good enough to properly execute that plan and unlikely to cause enough trouble to the opponent.
Why should people criticize Nadal about his not approaching net more than 10 times in a match when Federer never did the same? Federer started approaching the net since last year when he appointed Edberg. His approaches aren't even effective as Nadal showed in the AO semi this year.
How can people claim Federer to be a great volleyer when he gets passed more often than he should? Rafa has an incredible feel at the net. It is honed by frequently playing doubles in the Davis cups and training with Marc Lopez whenever he needs that he needs to tune his volleys.
 
#3,715 ·
Federer is genuinely worried about Nadal breaking his Slam record

His latest attacks at Nadal and supporting the shot clock seem to be desperate measures from Federer. He seems to be worried about Nadal overtaking him at this current rate. I don't see the need to talk about Shot clocks and point a finger at Nadal when they have already contested on tour for ten years and know each other very well. Federer has lost faith in his quest for 18th slam and now wants to see Nadal prevented from getting to 18 slams. Discuss.
 
#3,716 ·
Re: Federer is genuinely worried about Nadal breaking his Slam record

FedEx is not worried about Nadal at all. Nadal is his favorite player and the goat
 
#3,718 ·
Re: Federer is genuinely worried about Nadal breaking his Slam record

Seriously, stop making things on your own. Fed never said any such things. The only thing he said was that he's afraid that taking too much time between points is bad for tv viewership (I don't agree, but it's his opinion :shrug:). That's all. Nothing to do with Nadal reaching his GS record.
 
#3,723 ·
Re: Federer is genuinely worried about Nadal breaking his Slam record

Seriously, stop making things on your own. Fed never said any such things. The only thing he said was that he's afraid that taking too much time between points is bad for tv viewership (I don't agree, but it's his opinion :shrug:). That's all. Nothing to do with Nadal reaching his GS record.
Why is he worried about sport's future only at this point of his career? Why not in 2006 or 2007 when he already knew Nadal completely back then and he himself was players' council president?
 
#3,719 ·
Re: Federer is genuinely worried about Nadal breaking his Slam record

I agree. Also, remember his complaints about Rafa grunting in their last meeting at the AO this year. :lol:
 
#3,720 ·
Re: Federer is genuinely worried about Nadal breaking his Slam record

I am not sure who is shitting their pants more - arrogant Fraud or the Fraudturds on MTF :lol:
 
#3,722 ·
Re: Federer is genuinely worried about Nadal breaking his Slam record

Bhārata Satvan;23527298 said:
His latest attacks at Nadal and supporting the shot clock seem to be desperate measures from Federer. He seems to be worried about Nadal overtaking him at this current rate. I don't see the need to talk about Shot clocks and point a finger at Nadal when they have already contested on tour for ten years and know each other very well. Federer has lost faith in his quest for 18th slam and now wants to see Nadal prevented from getting to 18 slams. Discuss.
Talk about using your own opinion and perception to twist something so that it supports your theory :facepalm:
 
#3,726 ·
Such a shame, Federer just wants Tennis getting played according to rules and he referred to couple of players not only Nadal. And even if Federer is doing this intention op mentioned there is no wrong since he achieved all this by fair play without violating rules. Does Nadal have enough talent to be all time great without his cheating tactics and OCD fake rituals let alone GOAT?

With Nadal's constant cheating it's always remains undiscussed how his blatant rule bending and on court coaching during matches changes results of the match.
How much success Nadal would've get if he was fair player like Fed/Murray? It is two fold ruination of Tennis with inferior player with his "Goon" activities setting new trend plus it is injustice to opponents which directly got affected with cheating. They work equally hard but ATP allows a "Goon" to bend rules as he wants. So why victims should not speak loudly since it's complete decade of cheating?

It's blatant cheating and no Shame Fed/Rosol slammed "Goon", he's no better than game.
 
#3,727 ·
^Nobody reads your posts mate.
 
#3,729 ·
Rafa is the GOAT, once he reaches 17+ it will be inevitable...In the NBA, players, ex players, analysts, supporters all state that there is Michael Jordan and then everyone else...In Tennis, players, ex players, analysts, supporters will all state that there is Rafa Nadal and then everyone else!
 
#3,740 ·
Everyone's dying to say it, so I may as well.

Walter White. Stop the crystal meth.
 
#3,744 · (Edited)
Federer era > Nadal era

Otherwise, how do you explain this :
- Safin reaching the SFs at Wimbledon 2008, beating Djokovic in the 2nd round
- Davydenko stronger than ever late 2009 and early 2010
- Ljubicic winning his only big title in 2010, beating both Djokovic and Nadal
- Roddick #1 at race rankings, or close to, until the clay court season in 2010 + closer to win Wimbledon than he ever was in 2009, beating Murray in SFs
- Ferrer at his best since 2011

My theory is that those players, except Safin, capitalized on Federer's decline to achieve some great things since 2009.
 
#3,746 ·
Re: Federer era > Nadal era

Nadal fans weren't even born yet then, so you won't get any convincing arguments. 2010 was so strong, with worst ever Djoker, injured Roger, clowning Murray and astonishing players in the semis against Nadal. Even then he couldn't achieve a GOAT year like Roger did in 2006, or Novak did in 2011 against peak Nadal.

This is an honourable thread but the tennis knowledge here is so limited, apparently Soderling, Melzer etc are tougher players than Safin, Hewitt and Roddick.
 
#3,761 ·
Re: Federer era > Nadal era

Nadal fans weren't even born yet then, so you won't get any convincing arguments. 2010 was so strong, with worst ever Djoker, injured Roger, clowning Murray and astonishing players in the semis against Nadal. Even then he couldn't achieve a GOAT year like Roger did in 2006, or Novak did in 2011 against peak Nadal.

This is an honourable thread but the tennis knowledge here is so limited, apparently Soderling, Melzer etc are tougher players than Safin, Hewitt and Roddick.
PEak soda is more dangerous and peak roddick, nothing new here... Melzer performance at RG was epic, he trashed your serbian (fake) Idol.
 
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