The sports world has been rocked the last few days by the reports of Coaching legend Joe Paterno, who has been in charge of Penn State football for 40 plus years is caught in the middle of a horrific child sexual abuse scandal involving former defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky, who was a legend before his 1999 retirement for the stout Penn State defenses over the years.
There are calls for Joe Paterno to step down immediately for turning a blind eye as a 10-year old boy was ***** in the Penn State locker room showers by former defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky in 2002. Paterno is claiming that he was unaware of the situation and that eye-witness and current assistant Mike McQueary did not make clear what Sandusky was doing. The question is why didn't McQueary do anything to stop Sandusky if he witnessed the ****. All he did was contact Joepa who in turned contacted the AD and then nothing happened. Sandusky had access to the teams locker rooms as recently as last week according to some. How can McQueary have witnessed this and then be ok with Sandusky still being around the program for years(he was, reports are that Sandusky continued to bring kids to practice after the 2002 incident). There are now 8 other victomes who are coming out and alledging that Sandusky abused them. Awful situation and as ESPN put it "Joepa's run at Happy Valley always had a magical air to it, until now".
former player under Sandusky Matt Millen shares his thoughts This was heartbreaking to watch because I have never been a Millen fan but to see him break down on national TV was tough. He was cruched because he had trusted Sandusky.
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what are your thoughts? Should Joe Paterno be forced out? Does this take away from his former lilly white and legendary legacy?
Re: "Happy" Valley... Update: Paterno OUT after 46 years
The students rioting, they are misguided young kids with a lot of pain, a lot of anger, and a lot of confusion. They are seeing their school essentially be torn apart inside-out, their football team being destroyed, their schools' reputation ruined. So, this is their way of defending their school, and their football team. The problem is that this passion should be directed at JERRY SANDUSKY and THE PEOPLE WHO COVERED UP THIS TRAGIC STORY OF CHILD ABUSE. The riots should be directed at Jerry Sandusky and all culpable of what has happened here. Instead, their passion is directed at the football team, and Joe Paterno. They are stupid kids, I won't necessarily call them evil, but very stupid, have terrible priorities, and zero self-awareness and awareness of the world around them.
Really, the many people defending Joe Paterno, it again speaks to the fact football is basically held to a God-like status to many in America. And that's one of the worst aspects of this entire episode. Exposing just how flawed our society is.
Re: "Happy" Valley... Update: Paterno OUT after 46 years
It will be interesting to see the atmosphere in Happy Valley on Saturday as the Nittany Lions play Nebraska. How will the players who had nothing to do with this respond? How will the 107,000 in attendance respond?
Re: "Happy" Valley... Update: Paterno OUT after 46 years
Why the FUCK does that disgusting red headed piece of shit McQueary still have a job? He saw a child being r**** and DID NOTHING. He didn't stop it. He didn't call the police. He called daddy. He was young, 28, tall, strapping, a former quarterback at Penn, he could have stopped the attack in two seconds. Instead, he left a child alone with a monster. This fucker is second only to Sandusky in guilt and if he still has a job come Monday, I'll fucking riot.
Re: "Happy" Valley... Update: Paterno OUT after 46 years
Can people stop with the 'we don't know what Paterno knew' crap? He knew a 60 year old man was doing something with a 10 year old boy in a shower. Whether it was characterized as 'horseplay' or fondling...you know what, fuck that. A 60 year old in a shower with a 10 year old boy is enough to call the police. There are NO circumstances under which that scenario isn't wrong.
Can people stop with the 'we don't know what Paterno knew' crap? He knew a 60 year old man was doing something with a 10 year old boy in a shower. Whether it was characterized as 'horseplay' or fondling...you know what, fuck that. A 60 year old in a shower with a 10 year old boy is enough to call the police. There are NO circumstances under which that scenario isn't wrong.
Very well said. This already feels like some dopy scene from Beverly Hills 90210, where Brandon Walsh gets the students to stand up for a professor who's being accused for some trivial thing.
It's sad how people think someone is so sacred, he can't be criticized for anything. Somehow I doubt the school janitor would have gotten the same treatment.
This is shady. He knew something was going on, but according to many many people he didn't know how severe the actions that took place were. One of the prosecutors has said that McQueary's statement to Paterno was rather vague and he never had a full grasp of the situation.
I didn't grow in Pennsylvania but I did attend a very good university here in Europe. But any of that doesn't matter.
People say "don't jump to conclusion"? I mean, please? Joe was the most influental man in Penn State and you claim he knew so little? You honestly believe he hadn't already heard things and rumours? And the McQuery thing was the dagger.
McQuery and semantics? How is that possible? You can't hide the fact that he told 2002 something quite disturbing to Paterno. Why are we even talking about this? They obviously took some limited actions against Sandusky, so they believed something serious was going on, right? Paterno himself has acknowledged that he should have done more.
Paterno was just covering and protecting his university. In principle that is understandable but in this case it is also unforgivable.
I'm studying to become an Actuary, don't exactly know where you got lawyer from. Did you read the 23 page grand jury report? If you haven't you are jumping to conclusions. If you think he tried to cover it up? You're also jumping to conclusions. There is literally no evidence of that. None.
Do you have it in your head that McQuery told Paterno and then Paterno did nothing? Because that's the way you're blaming him. If his bosses tell the police like they're supposed to then Joe Paterno is being LAUDED for what he did.
Paterno saying he should have done more is true. He probably should have done more. My point is we do not know what he knew, and as such he didn't deserve to be fired in the manner he was. We also don't know if his bosses lied to him when he tried to follow up. One of the men charged with covering this up was the de facto head of police, so why would Paterno not assume he had gone to the police? And if they were willing to lie to a grand jury, why not to Paterno. THAT is what I'm saying.
If he had been allowed to retire the way he wanted this would have been a much smaller issue here on campus. All we wanted was one more game to show the man who has done so much for this university how we feel. And the BoT decided to take that away from us.
Re: "Happy" Valley... Update: Paterno OUT after 46 years
If were are talking about the classics like "benefit of the doubt", aren't we also supposed to give Sadunsky the benefit of the doubt? I believe he has actually denied the charges. These are horrible accusations, why is he already considered guilty? And no one is rioting.
Well, Jerry can look forward to his prison time. He can kick start his coaching career with the prison team and he will certainly enjoy the showers. He could also write a sequel to his book; "Touched, part 2".
Re: "Happy" Valley... Update: Paterno OUT after 46 years
Paterno and Sandusky were friends for many years. Sandusky had been on that staff for 30 years. If you hear vague reports that he was doing something and then nothing came of it when you reported it, it is natural to trust your friend. Also McQueary had known Sandusky for many years and Sandusky was his fathers good friend, so it had to be a shock to him.
But anything McQueary told Paterno that involved the words, Sandusky,boy and shower should have been been followed up on. I know someone who has been a Penn State fan since the 80's and he said there has always been whispers about Sandusky and some of his boys in the second mile. You have to wonder how much interim Coach Bradley knew. He has also been on the staff since the 80's.
Re: "Happy" Valley... Update: Paterno OUT after 46 years
Where have the parents been? Why haven't they been screaming to the press for years? I haven't been following the details religiously, but if I'm not mistaken, then certain parents have known for years and now they suddenly all go public?
This is sort of like the whole Tiger Woods saga. How is that all of a sudden there all these people coming of the woodwork and it hits the fan all at once?
I'm not saying that the claims are exaggerated at all, clearly this guy is as obviously guilty as Troy Davis, but I'm just wondering why this all comes out now and none of these parents ever filed charges or anything.
Where have the parents been? Why haven't they been screaming to the press for years? I haven't been following the details religiously, but if I'm not mistaken, then certain parents have known for years and now they suddenly all go public?
I saw one woman on CNN who said that her son was asking questions about ''sex wierdos'' and when she asked him why, he said that Sandusky was one and had done something to him. She immediately called the university and was told to come down immediately. She went and told them her story and they said they would take care of it. She waited and waited and nothing............ And I guess people do eventually give up when they think they are up against a force much bigger than themselves.
More and more this looks like the Catholic church and their efforts to keep people from going to the police. Then they move the priest on and hope the parents give up trying to fight the church.
Re: "Happy" Valley... Update: Paterno OUT after 46 years
The timing is bizarre. The jury report mentions one mother(victim 8 I think) asking why her sons hair was wet and he told it was because he took a shower with Sandusky. Apparently all she did was call Sandusky and told him to stay away from her son. No police call or anything else.
There's not really any doubt he is guilty though. If not, then why has there been absolutely no word from Sandusky or his attorney denying the claims?
Sandusky's lawyer maintains his client is innocent.
I just read that Sandusky is free on bail and he went shopping at "Dick's Sporting Goods". Gee, he doesn't seem to take it too hard. I wonder why didn't anybody kick the crap out of him?
Re: "Happy" Valley... Update: Paterno OUT after 46 years
Also, people need to stop whining about ~school pride~ when the bigger issue here is that at least eight and probably more children were raᴩed and/or molested by Sandusky.
The reputation of your school should not be the primary focus of this situation.
Re: "Happy" Valley... Update: Paterno OUT after 46 years
Sandusky has given an interview to Bob Costas. He's claiming he's innocent.
NBC also found an old interview from 1987 where Sandusky talks about Second Mile. They interviewed some old sports journalist who almost cries because "Sandusky has ruined Penn State". Oh yeah, that really is the biggest crime here. Some people apparently still don't get it.
Re: "Happy" Valley... Update: Paterno OUT after 46 years
"I am innocent of those charges," the 67-year-old Sandusky said. "... I could say that I have done some of those things. I have horsed around with kids. I have showered after workouts. I have hugged them, and I have touched their legs without intent of sexual contact."
Asked whether he was sexually attracted to underaged boys, he said "Sexually attracted, no. I enjoy young people, I love to be around them, but, no, I'm not sexually attracted to young boys. We were showering and horsing around, and he actually turned all the showers on and was actually sliding across the floor, and we were, as I recall, possibly like snapping a towel -- horseplay," he said.
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Sandusky's remarks came the same night that Amendola, told CNN that his client was just behaving like "a jock."
"Jerry Sandusky is a big overgrown kid," Amendola said. "He's a jock, and for anybody who's ever played sports, you get showers after you work out."
Amendola accused the attorney general's office of having "thrown everything they can throw up against the wall." He said some of the allegations, such as putting a hand on a boy's knee, do not constitute criminal conduct and other cases include no direct complaint by the boy.
Re: "Happy" Valley... Update: Paterno OUT after 46 years
Sandusky obviously hasn't got the best lawyer. That interview was a huge mistake from him and some of those answers are really incredible. I wonder what's the mood over at Sandusky's house? Are they watching evening news with the wife?
In the future when someone talks about the great achievements that Penn State had in the 80's, I wonder if anyone will ever mention Sandusky's role in building that defence? Tilden still kinda gets some credit for his victories.
Sandusky obviously hasn't got the best lawyer. That interview was a huge mistake from him and some of those answers are really incredible. I wonder what's the mood over at Sandusky's house? Are they watching evening news with the wife?
In the future when someone talks about the great achievements that Penn State had in the 80's, I wonder if anyone will ever mention Sandusky's role in building that defence? Tilden still kinda gets some credit for his victories.
After reading the Grand Jury report, of all those boys sleeping in Sandusky's basement, and him going down there on each time... I kept wondering about his wife. What does she know about this?
That Austrian sicko who locked his daughter in the basement for 15 years or something... he told his wife she ran away with a cult. He was assaulting her down there, she had his kids... Supposedly the mom didn't know all those people were in her own basement all those years.
Re: "Happy" Valley... Update: Paterno OUT after 46 years
This whole thing is a disgrace and yet everyone connected with Penn State is just worrying about the school! Who is worrying about all the kids that have been damaged for life?
This whole thing is a disgrace and yet everyone connected with Penn State is just worrying about the school! Who is worrying about all the kids that have been damaged for life?
Re: "Happy" Valley... Update: Paterno OUT after 46 years
Still no jokes about this asshole? I know that Dave and Jay did apparently nothing last week, but c'mon, this week they have to use this in the monologues? That interview had comedic material written all over it.
Re: "Happy" Valley... Update: Paterno OUT after 46 years
Dave and Jay do make a lot of jokes about things, but frankly I can't find anything the least bit funny in this situation. But then I don't think I have watched all of any late night show in I don't know how many years. I may catch bits and pieces of them, but that is about it. I don't ever watch much of the guy I really like which is Craig Ferguson. I think he is really funny and I love that Scottish accent
The situation itself is not funny, that is for sure. But Sandusky himself should be ridiculed. And that has always been the late night culture. Really no situation is too sacred there. I remember years ago the OJ Simpson saga. The first week was very quiet and they made maybe a few subtle references, but after a while it really got wild and OJ was the main news for months. And of course Michael Jackson was as well and they made very nasty jokes about him too. Well, for a reason.
Jacko was in the news pretty much for the same reason as Sandusky and there's really nothing funny about a horrific double murder either.
I just think it's impossible to ignore Sandusky. I guess SNL did some kind of reference last week.
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