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why is it in the womens gain that the stats are so much more impressive? Less competition I assume?

Also Connors, Evert et al winning 500 titles is not that great, many draws were only 8/16 and even 4 people strong

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Serena is ahead of Federer in the GOAT discussion. A simple fact.
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Williams doesn't show any real skills on the tennis court apart from her physics.
That's true. Even at the net she is laugable, let alone more graceful skills
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Comparing ATP to WTA is as dumb as comparing WTA to wheelchair tennis
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I don't know why they are doing this in tennis. I don't recall people comparing male and female champions in other sports. I don't recall skiing discussions like "Is Lindsey Vonn greater than Bode Miller" or "is Vreni Schneider greater than Alberto Tomba" or whatever. It just doesn't make sense.
i agree, i think its pointless to compare two greats of different genders even in the same sport. it simply cant be and shouldnt be done because, given the opportunity the men would more than likely win every time.

thats not me being sexist but men just do have advantages . i have great respect for female athletes. some of my favorite athletes of all time, some of my heroes are female. but its just not right to compare a male and female sport. because then you have to start imagining what someone like serena would do on the atp or federer would do on the wta. there's a reason that, in professional sports men and women do not compete against each other

i dont get why they are starting to compare serena and fed. you wouldnt compare the likes of lionel messi and christine sinclair, sidney crosby and christine nesbit or kevin martin and anette norberg or the athletes you listed above.

i dont know. maybe americans feel the need to be able to say that they have the greatest of all time in every sport and thats why some of them are trying to push serena over fed..who knows

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Federer is pure class,effortless. Serena has the grace and guile of an elephant,a bull in a china shop...
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Federer is pure class,effortless. Serena has the grace and guile of an elephant,a bull in a china shop...
Ah you're just jealous because you're a pressed Maria stan who only likes her because you think she looks hot.
Achievement wise, Serena is the GOAT, at least when it comes to the open era. (only competitor is Steffi Graf, and we all know what happened to her main rival, which really puts her out of the talks)
21 slams and two non-calendar year slams don't lie.

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Serena cannot hit a dropshot. The goat must be able to hit a dropshot.

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Ah you're just jealous because you're a pressed Maria stan who only likes her because you think she looks hot.
Achievement wise, Serena is the GOAT, at least when it comes to the open era. (only competitor is Steffi Graf, and we all know what happened to her main rival, which really puts her out of the talks)
21 slams and two non-calendar year slams don't lie.
we dont know what would have happened if monica hadnt gotten stabbed.steffi had problems with injuries as well at one point, if she doesnt she might have more. steffi might have figured out monica, she was beginning to even before the stabbing happened anyway.

its not fair to link steffi to that anyway, she had no control over what some freak fan did
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we dont know what would have happened if monica hadnt gotten stabbed.steffi had problems with injuries as well at one point, if she doesnt she might have more. steffi might have figured out monica, she was beginning to even before the stabbing happened anyway.

its not fair to link steffi to that anyway, she had no control over what some freak fan did
I'm not...I am saying her main rival's career and mental stability was almost totally ruined by a mentally unstable person, who got off scot-free.

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Re: SI dares to claim: Serena can be compared with Federer in GOAT discussion

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Obviously there's some subjectivity involved in these discussions but in Serena's case you have a situation where direct contemporaries who were her rivals retired early, and retired often. People who gave her trouble, particularly Henin but also Clijsters and others are all retired/mothers/coaches/etc. now. Navratilova and Evert have two less slams than she does, but they were challenging each other in final after final. Who's Serena's biggest challenger these days? Sharapova, who hasn't won a match against her in over a decade? Azarenka maybe? Cornet if she draws Serena early again in a slam? Give me a break.

Of course, Serena's longevity is in and of itself is a sign of greatness, but she had long stretches of time where she didn't dominate (her first year-end #1 was in 2002, and then the second was in 2009), whether it was due to injury or personal issues or the dominance of others (mainly Henin from 2006-early 2008). When Safina was #1 without a slam Serena chose to talk shit about Dinara instead of working on herself and getting her own ranking up to where it should be.

In contrast, Roger had long stretches of dominance lasting not for a season but for YEARS. Over four YEARS at #1, whereas Serena only passed Henin's total number of weeks at #1 a couple years ago even though by that time Henin was already twice retired and hadn't been #1 in five years. For Roger you have five slams in a row at Wimbledon, five in a row at the USO, etc. Finals of all four slams in 2006/2007/2009. He won his last five slams in the period from 2008 and onward, when Rafole broke out and began to dominate. And never once did he talk shit about other #1s being undeserving of their position. It's only in the last few years, now that Serena's contemporaries are well and truly gone, that she has begun to set up a truly lasting and durable period of dominance. People have been talking about how she's become so much more mellow and sporting these days: sure, pretty easy to do when you're at the top and no one is a real or lasting threat to you.

It's an indictment of the younger generations that have come after that no one seems to be able to challenge Serena for any sustained period of time. Even Kim has said she'd be confident that she could still win titles and slams if she played these days, it's just that she doesn't want to go through the grind of the tour, physical training, rehab, etc. This fact - that a huge swath of the best of the women's tour has retired early - is pretty obvious to most who pay attention to the WTA.

Serena is clearly a great, but comparing her to Roger is ridiculous.
The thing that prevented Serena from being number 1 longer is her scheduling, she played before like 10 tournaments a year. Second, How is Serena's domination any different than Federer's long reign, Federer didn't have much competition outside of clay, Nadal was mediocre on other surfaces. It's like when Serena dominates there is no competition, When Federer dominates he is really good. Also in 2007, Serena was just coming back from injury and the loss of her sister, Henin was lucky to beat her in Wimbledon and US Open. Yes Henin is better at clay than Serena, but Henin's head to head with Serena was mainly because Serena wasnt on form yet.

Also, why keep bringing up CLijsters, she is 2-7 against Serena, i wouldnt call that record a rival. People bash Azarenka for not being good enough, only close but no cigar, Clijsters is the same with Serena. Also, with the Safina thing, Roger did the same bashing to Nadal, Djokovic and Murray when they were beating him, but i dont hear any comments from you.

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Serena is much more superior to Federer.

I don't see Federer winning NINE GRAND SLAMS 😩 after turning 30, holding No.1 for 3+ years after turning 30, winning 4 in a row...TWICE, achieving a career Grand Slam in her 30s or winning singles and doubles Grand Slams on the same day. All Federer can do now is come close to victory only to break everyone's hearts.

It's truly been a beautiful ride being a Serena Williams fan since FO 12. Who would have guessed that after that 1st round loss she would go on to dominate the last 5 years and secure herself as the greatest tennis player ever!

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