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Is world tennis more dramatic than world football?

Not sure if this should be in the general forum, but there is an excellent article on Yahoo Eurosport here:

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/blogs/...074032712.html

which compares the football team Barcelona's complete domination of European football to Roger Federer's domination of world tennis in 2007, and how their styles is so beautiful to behold. But how tennis became so much more dramatic when lesser talents than Federer, but with vastly different qualities arrived to make the sport of tennis so much more dramatic (Nadal first, and later Djokovic). Quite a nice article.
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Nadal can't be Real Madrid. Barca beats them regularly.
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Re: Is world tennis more dramatic than world football?

Actually football is more "dramatic" by nature because it's much more unfair and depends much more on luck than tennis and than most of other sports actually : the better team doesn't always win, far from that.

BUT this dramatic dimension of football has been much lowered in club competitions for 15 years because of the inequality of the business of football to recruit players.

Of course that "business/recruiting" dimension is absent in tennis where players are alone on court : in a way that makes tennis more dramatic, and also that explains why tennis fans are so passionate about the personality of the players, their human dimension.

And with the homogenization of surfaces and the general slowing down of tennis, and also of course the strength of the top-players in recent years, the "dramatic" dimension of tennis has decreased, to the point that now you can even read fans who have forgotten the "glorious uncertainty of sport" and tell you "no way Fed is going to win a slam" or "no way Roddick will beat Fed" or "no way Söderling is going to beat Nadal on clay"

In the 90s tennis was much less easily predictable; also because on quick surfaces it only depends on a few points.

Anyway, business doesn't like too much unpredictability, that's also why the ATP prefers favorizing their best players probably, with the homogenization of surfaces. Like in football, best players need to lose sometimes to save the dramatic dimension (I've read a person working in the tennis business who said that the ATP had slowed down surfaces because Fed's wins had become too predictablme for the business to work) but not too often because sponsors need to be assured of their investments.

In football the dramatic dimension is for instance assured by referees who have the choice of calling a penalty or not for the same gesture, which, if the referee is free, ensures a dramatic dimension AND sometimes makes that the best team doesn't win (see Samuel of Inter Milan not sanctioned when constantly holding Drogba for Chelsea in the surface several years ago - Inter did win the Champions League later, defeating Barcelona), and, if the referee is not free and receives some advice from the UEFA, allows the team which is needed to win, to win actually, as some people say the UEFA has maybe talked to yesterday's referee between Barcelona and Milan AC because the referee penalized the same gesture (even less visible) against Milan AC, which had not been penalized several years ago against Inter Milan.

In the end, despite this "inherently hazardous" character of football, you can be sure that the journalists will explain you exactly why the better team did win, even if it's after a penalty-breaking session

That's football, so dramatic because so unfair hazardous yet the national championships are always won by the same because the business is so unequal (and then the coaches of these rich clubs are called greats while they had such a great team to coach ...)

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Re: Is world tennis more dramatic than world football?

By football you mean soccer right?If so than yes.Tennis is dramatic every second in soccer there are 6 minutes of action and 84 minutes of passing

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Re: Is world tennis more dramatic than world football?

football isn't dramatic at all. barca winning most of the time, when they can't win the ref winning for them
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By football you mean soccer right?If so than yes.Tennis is dramatic every second in soccer there are 6 minutes of action and 84 minutes of passing
Which countries other than USA call football soccer ? I would be interested because I'm often tempted to say "soccer" to be sure that eveybody understands, but in the meantime I wonder : do we have to do this only for the inhabitants of one country ?
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barca winning most of the time, when they can't win the ref winning for them
maybe that's what happened yesterday ... but in Spanish "liga" Barcelona was cheated several times to lose points and Real Madrid to be ahead ... maybe also because it was better for the business of "Liga" that Real won the liga or at least was tied with Barcelona

Yet in last weeks, it was Real who was cheated once ... maybe because they are too far ahead and the next "Clasico" has lost too much of its dramatic dimension for business ?

Maybe all this was combined for the business, or maybe that was hazard, but anyway hazard did things well for the business

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By football you mean soccer right?If so than yes.Tennis is dramatic every second in soccer there are 6 minutes of action and 84 minutes of passing
I think by nature football/soccer and its gestures is a very beautiful sport, probably the most beautiful, if not it would not be the most popular in the world.

But it also depends much more on luck than many of other sports. Which makes me laugh when I read experts "explaining" the results.

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Re: Is world tennis more dramatic than world football?

What is "world" football? The Champions' League? That's ostensibly a European competition, but I guess the best South American players are all in it anyway. It's not particularly dramatic if you ask me, as by & large the competition is dominated year in year out by the clubs with the most money. As for the World Cup, since 1986 every one has been forgettable bar 1998.

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Tennis drama queenery at its best on MTF.

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Re: Is world tennis more dramatic than world football?

Fit this wooden triangle through that circle shape. It's unsurprising that it doesn't fit. Equally, there is little surprise that we cannot assign the major players in world football roles based on the major players in world tennis. Humans sure love patterns and simplification but events don't tend to acquiesce so neatly.

Tennis and football are hugely different. Although the trend of domination in tennis has changed the game in reality and in media and fan perception, it is not comparable to the domination of football which is, and seems likely to continue being, far more unusual. The relationship between outplaying an opponent and winning is massively stronger in tennis than it can ever be in the inherently variable world of football. Does the person writing this article know that despite their worldwide accolades, Barcelona are probably going to fail to win their domestic league this year? In football, it is a realistic and common occurrence to proclaim a losing team, 'better', in some sense of the word. To claim this in tennis a very unusual match has to occur (or the speaker has to be somewhat deluded as is more often the case).

Whereas defeating a tennis player is impossible unless you play, at the very least, at an extremely close level to him, the same is not true of football matches. That is why the Barcelona dominance (which is of a kind unseen in my lifetime of watching football) is a far more surprising possibility. For what it's worth, before having seen such dominance on the field, I wouldn't have thought it was possible for one world class team to do that to another in such a brutal fashion. Despite this, Barcelona have come close to losing some ties (despite dominating) in the Champions League, apart from the Inter Milan tie they did lose. To cut this tediously long and ambling story short, the sports are too different, the comparison is vague, vacuous and ultimately elucidates nothing about the state of either tennis or football.

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Re: Is world tennis more dramatic than world football?

Football is more dramatic though, because it doesn't always play to the script. Throughout tennis, it's more predictable in general hence it's less dramatic BUT the advantage of tennis is that the technical aspects are always on show, in general, there is less cheating and much more fair play.
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