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Lol he was labelled as next Drazen Petrovic since he was 15 years old,and was never nor he will ever be anywhere near that level.He was constantly given a chance to play for Barcelona and NT,he had like a special status in every team he played and was treated like gold,but never lived up to expectations,and his statistics,since i see u are big fan of it were horrendous in Europe.

He got big basketball IQ,great court sense and creativity,and defensively is very good,so he will obviously succeed to some extent in league filled with tunnel vision players,specially when he gets almost 40 minutes per game,and is playing in a weaker team than Barcelona.His outside shooting is nonexistent,and he is not explosive enough to get past other pgs on regular basis,plus he is a flopper and faker as most spanish basketball players are,so obviously he is more likely to succeed in Nba,than on european soil.

Don't get me wrong i think he is a good player,but is he worth all the hype and attention he is constantly getting?No,not by a long mile.Anyway too much off topic,we are on tennis forum,over and out.
He's not in Europe now, so it doesn't matter anymore what he did or didn't do for Barcelona.

“There’s so many athletes, tennis players around the world,” he continued, trying to put his life into some kind of perspective, “they want to be the best in what they do. They want to succeed. Many of them, they don’t succeed in the end. I’m fortunate to have this opportunity and succeed.”
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Lol he was labelled as next Drazen Petrovic since he was 15 years old,and was never nor he will ever be anywhere near that level.He was constantly given a chance to play for Barcelona and NT,he had like a special status in every team he played and was treated like gold,but never lived up to expectations,and his statistics,since i see u are big fan of it were horrendous in Europe.

He got big basketball IQ,great court sense and creativity,and defensively is very good,so he will obviously succeed to some extent in league filled with tunnel vision players,specially when he gets almost 40 minutes per game,and is playing in a weaker team than Barcelona.His outside shooting is nonexistent,and he is not explosive enough to get past other pgs on regular basis,plus he is a flopper and faker as most spanish basketball players are,so obviously he is more likely to succeed in Nba,than on european soil.

Don't get me wrong i think he is a good player,but is he worth all the hype and attention he is constantly getting?No,not by a long mile.Anyway too much off topic,we are on tennis forum,over and out.

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He is different than the American market is producing in basketball. NBA right now is full of stars who think that basketball is a 'one on one' game, more than a sport team, so the rising of a dude like Rubio is refreshing. Anyway, since the 21 years old rookie runs the Timberworlves they has grown from a lottery team to a playoffs one. Timberworlves have a 10-5 mark since Rubio is starter. Maybe a coincidence.
The NBA teams run a lot of isolation plays, hence the perception that it is a 'one on one' league. But if that's all they are then why is the US the reigning World and Olympic champions in basketball and haven't lost a game since 2006? That one on one must work pretty good!

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Here was Magic Johnson's thought on Rubio before he made his way over here....

"He'll be better in the NBA than he is in Europe because our guys are more athletic and they run to the rim. In Europe, guys don't really run the break; they fan out around the 3-point line, they pump-fake, they look to score in other ways. Our guys are going to see a dude who can pass it like Rubio and run like hell to the rim. Trust me."

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Here was Magic Johnson's thought on Rubio before he made his way over here....

"He'll be better in the NBA than he is in Europe because our guys are more athletic and they run to the rim. In Europe, guys don't really run the break; they fan out around the 3-point line, they pump-fake, they look to score in other ways. Our guys are going to see a dude who can pass it like Rubio and run like hell to the rim. Trust me."

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the french are saying what people on this site are forbidden to say.

yet, everyone thinks about it.

spaniards and nadaltards worldwide can keep living under a rock and pretend everything is dandy but that won't stop others from seeing reality.

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clean or not clean isn't the question - the question is why do the French believe its their duty to keep on talking about something the can't prove....they look like sore losers
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on another note - and this has nothing to do with rafa ...but how many of people have the confidence in tennis's anti-doping body? when I read Agassi's bio I was just awe struck that they brought that explantion and burried the issue...i think had the agassi situation not come to light many people wouldn't be having second thoughts about the ethics of the anti-doping programm

the clip in question
http://www.programme-tv.net/videos/v...-les-guignols/

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clean or not clean isn't the question - the question is why do the French believe its their duty to keep on talking about something the can't prove....they look like sore losers
"the French" means nothing, but le Monde and l'Equipe are newspapers who have found and/or made public a lot of facts which were unknown or hidden about doping.

Including about French sportsmen : see Virenque and Longo. Zidane's case (allegations of blood transfers and Juventus scandal) is also often talked about in France.

You can't hide the fact that the fight against doping is very hard and unequal (cheaters win it easily) and that the Sports authorities often have an interest to hide those things, and newspapers are supposed to act against such behaviours, that's one of their main functions in democracy.

The specific problem about Spain mainly comes from :
- the Fuentes case
- the fact that the Spanish national authorities intervened in favour of their sportsmen (it's very different in France : for instance the president of the French national federation said that in his opinion, the CAS was wrong in Gasquet's case and was often harsh against Gasquet).

As for "the French people", there were people who still liked Virenque after he was convicted as a doper, but very few percent of the people still thought he was "clean".

Seemingly, it's different in the USA and in Spain where people don't believe doping is such commonly diffused, which is different from what the French believe, why ? I don't know, but maybe once again because Tour de France is in France and maybe also because the French are more suspicious and harsh talking about wellknown people in general ... you know France is the country of the revolution, of killing the king and burning churches, also one of the countries where socialist egalitarian ideas have been mostly diffused.

PS : I think this thread would have a better place in the "off-topic" or even "non-tennis section", I don't understand the mods here.

Although, like Abraxas, I'm surprised that the doping topic which I've seen very much emerge since the final of the Australian Open has been virtually absent of this forum.

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the french are saying what people on this site are forbidden to say.

yet, everyone thinks about it.

spaniards and nadaltards worldwide can keep living under a rock and pretend everything is dandy but that won't stop others from seeing reality.
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all what i know is that lately few spanish sportsmen failed on doping tests . coincidence or not...
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"the French" means nothing, but le Monde and l'Equipe are newspapers who have found and made public a lot of facts which were unknown or hidden about doping.

Including about French sportsmen : see Virenque and Longo. Zidane's case (allegations of blood transfers and Juventus scandal) is also often talked about in France.

You can't hide the fact that the Sports authorities often have an interest to hide those things, and newspapers are supposed to act against such behaviours, that's one of their main functions in democracy.

The specific problem about Spain mainly comes from :
- the Fuentes case
- the fact that the Spanish national authorities intervened in favour of their sportsmen (it's very different in France : for instance the president of the French national federation said that in his opinion, the CAS was wrong in Gasquet's case and was often harsh against Gasquet).

As for "the French people", there were people who still liked Virenque after he was convicted as a doper, but very few percent of the people still thought he was "clean".

Seemingly, it's different in the USA and in Spain where people don't believe doping is such commonly diffused, which is different from what the French believe, why ? I don't know, but maybe once again because Tour de France is in France and maybe also because the French are more suspicious and harsh talking about wellknown people in general ... you know France is the country of the revolution, of killing the king and burning churches, also one of the countries where socialist egalitarian ideas have been mostly diffused.

PS : I think this thread would have a better place in the "off-topic" or even "non-tennis section", I don't understand the mods here.
insightful - but disagree about the place of this read it is a tennis related issue
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insightful - but disagree about the place of this read it is a tennis related issue
I think like Abraxas, yes, that the doping topic should be talked about somewhere in the "General messages" section. It has been virtually absent although the final of the Australian Open made it emerge even more in the background (see Courier's comment for instance).

BUT the comedy from "les Guignols" and the current Spain against France debate is a different case, not about tennis : Nadal was just taken as an example in the comedy and the debate, it's about "Spanish sport and French jealous rats" in general.

And it's not something serious.

This topic deserves a serious talking imo.

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Love the Spanish overreaction. Les guignols are totally crazy, if you try to hush up them, they are more and more violent. I'm expecting some others hilarious sketches
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"the French" means nothing, but le Monde and l'Equipe are newspapers who have found and made public a lot of facts which were unknown or hidden about doping.

Including about French sportsmen : see Virenque and Longo. Zidane's case (allegations of blood transfers and Juventus scandal) is also often talked about in France.

You can't hide the fact that the Sports authorities often have an interest to hide those things, and newspapers are supposed to act against such behaviours, that's one of their main functions in democracy.

The specific problem about Spain mainly comes from :
- the Fuentes case
- the fact that the Spanish national authorities intervened in favour of their sportsmen (it's very different in France : for instance the president of the French national federation said that in his opinion, the CAS was wrong in Gasquet's case and was often harsh against Gasquet).

As for "the French people", there were people who still liked Virenque after he was convicted as a doper, but very few percent of the people still thought he was "clean".

Seemingly, it's different in the USA and in Spain where people don't believe doping is such commonly diffused, which is different from what the French believe, why ? I don't know, but maybe once again because Tour de France is in France and maybe also because the French are more suspicious and harsh talking about wellknown people in general ... you know France is the country of the revolution, of killing the king and burning churches, also one of the countries where socialist egalitarian ideas have been mostly diffused.

PS : I think this thread would have a better place in the "off-topic" or even "non-tennis section", I don't understand the mods here.
There’s a saying that goes..."put up or shut up”.

The French media should not insinuate things unless they can substantiate that suspicion

Suspecting someone of wrongdoing does not justify witch-hunting them BEFORE evidence is presented

Saying the French have a 'revolutionary culture' or 'suspicious' nature is not an explanation for their behaviour
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