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Jelena Jankovic and Andy Murray

I know, it seems strange to mention a female player and a male player in the same thread. Especially after that silly thread about why do you hate the WTA, which was moved quite rightly to the Off Topic section. But what do you think of this?

Jelena Jankovic got to world number 1 in 2008 then slid down the rankings in 2009. She’s come back to form this year winning Indian Wells and getting to the final of the Foro Italico. I wrote an article about her on Bleacher Report last month: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/3...and-slam-title.

Jelena is known for these strengths:

Speed around the court, tactical awareness, a good transition game and a good counterpuncher; not to mention good natural Tennis skills. Her weaknesses are:

Weak 2nd serve, temperament when things don’t go her way, weight of shot.

What’s impressed me this year has been Jelena’s willingness to try something new to try and win that elusive Slam title. She’s hired Chip Brooks from the Bollietieri Academy. And during Indian Wells and since, we have seen a player with a different attitude than before. Jelena is really going after the return of serve, looking to hit winners off the return and from the baseline much more. Her serve has more pace and her 2nd serve is much bigger than it was last year and she’s playing more aggressive than I’ve seen her play – mixing risk and reward with her instinct of caution. The result is a player that should give herself more opportunities to win big tournaments in future. She’s recognised what needs improving in her game and she’s decided to do it.

Now, if Jelena Jankovic can do it, will Andy Murray at some point be prepared to say, I need to improve aspects of my game and my mentality if I want to win a Grand Slam tournament? Murray basically has exactly the same strengths and weaknesses Jankovic has in co-relation to the tour they are on. And Jelena has decided not to hide behind the statement of – I got to number 1 in the world before with this game so I don’t have to improve anything, just work hard.

What do you think?
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Re: Jelena Jankovic and Andy Murray

Well Jankovic hasn't won a slam yet. Murray has done all those things as well, talking big about winning a slam but not achieving it. I still think Murray has a good shot at winning a slam, it's not like he is all lost.

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I know, it seems strange to mention a female player and a male player in the same thread. Especially after that silly thread about why do you hate the WTA, which was moved quite rightly to the Off Topic section. But what do you think of this?

Jelena Jankovic got to world number 1 in 2008 then slid down the rankings in 2009. She’s come back to form this year winning Indian Wells and getting to the final of the Foro Italico. I wrote an article about her on Bleacher Report last month: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/3...and-slam-title.

Jelena is known for these strengths:

Speed around the court, tactical awareness, a good transition game and a good counterpuncher; not to mention good natural Tennis skills. Her weaknesses are:

Weak 2nd serve, temperament when things don’t go her way, weight of shot.

What’s impressed me this year has been Jelena’s willingness to try something new to try and win that elusive Slam title. She’s hired Chip Brooks from the Bollietieri Academy. And during Indian Wells and since, we have seen a player with a different attitude than before. Jelena is really going after the return of serve, looking to hit winners off the return and from the baseline much more. Her serve has more pace and her 2nd serve is much bigger than it was last year and she’s playing more aggressive than I’ve seen her play – mixing risk and reward with her instinct of caution. The result is a player that should give herself more opportunities to win big tournaments in future. She’s recognised what needs improving in her game and she’s decided to do it.

Now, if Jelena Jankovic can do it, will Andy Murray at some point be prepared to say, I need to improve aspects of my game and my mentality if I want to win a Grand Slam tournament? Murray basically has exactly the same strengths and weaknesses Jankovic has in co-relation to the tour they are on. And Jelena has decided not to hide behind the statement of – I got to number 1 in the world before with this game so I don’t have to improve anything, just work hard.

What do you think?
When Jankovic became number one the WTA was shit, in dire straits. Unless Federer, Del Potro, Nadal and Djokovic retire its gonna be pretty hard for Murray to do it without having to improve. If he wants to be number one he definitely will have to improve aspects of his game.

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and mentally I do not see Murray there, his state after the Australian Open loss has been beyond bad. Mentally he is very much fragile.

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you don't deserve to win anything big if you are frightened of big stages or the opponents.......if that trend is to continue, it actually shows that there's not much difference between you and the clowns........

i am afraid to say murray might be past his best days now.......
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Don't compare the WTA and ATP

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yes thier is no comparison in between them
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Murray is prettier.

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Murray plays on the real tour, therefore no comparisons can be made.

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Murray is prettier.
Facewise they are both a bit unfortunate looking.

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jankovic is coming back big time. and its not like suddenly WTA got stronger and more competitive since 060708. murray, Im not so sure.

but anyway good comparison between the two.

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It is a similar situation indeed, but Jankovic it's making more of a comeback these days than what Murray's been making

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I dont think you caan compare a wta player to an atp player- womens tennis players are so up n down, one week to the next can be a compeltly different result, Ivanovic,Jankovic,Wozniacki,Azarenka,Rdwanska are all capable of beating anyone but at the same time losing to anyone, mens tennis is more powerfull so you can judge it better, Jankovic will win titles in the future but will also crash out in the 1st/2nd round of events

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Murray plays on the real tour, therefore no comparisons can be made.
but if we take into consideration that jankovic is a woman and women's physical abilities are more limited then men's, it's impossible to make a valid comparison between the two tours.......the women are doing the best they can........it's actually the men that are lying handicapped being unable to execute surface specific tennis, and instead relying on their clay court prowess(out-grinding) everywhere.......

i personally dislike the women's tour now actually, but i am not too impressed with the men's tour especially in the last one year or so.......the level has dropped down considerably.......

once again it has come down to nadal to breathe some life into men's tennis and fill the void caused due to the absence of up and coming del potro, helpless djokovic and inefficient murray.......
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I dont think you caan compare a wta player to an atp player- womens tennis players are so up n down, one week to the next can be a compeltly different result, Ivanovic,Jankovic,Wozniacki,Azarenka,Rdwanska are all capable of beating anyone but at the same time losing to anyone, mens tennis is more powerfull so you can judge it better, Jankovic will win titles in the future but will also crash out in the 1st/2nd round of events

Murray for me will always be close but not close enough in the majors
it evens out in the end. you have dominating players on both tours, and those who have talent and game but suck brain-wise.

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