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Open Era Ranking (April 22 1968-November 2010): an attempt

With my obsession to have everything in order, I've made an attempt at an Open Era ranking to date. It took a long time but just a few minutes everyday is not excessive.
It's only an attempt because so many tournaments are still missing from my archives, most particularly in the first 5 years of the era and exo tournaments in the 80's, or else it's very difficult to rate if they were ATP equivalents or Challenger equivalents and to know how big the draw was.

Here the players still active are in italics and the players from before the OE in bold (born in 1948 or before). You'll understand that these players cannot be rated at their true value. I'll soon come up with my point system. It's an evolutive system that takes into account the fact that the Australian Open was less prestigious in the late 70's and early 80's, for example.

(Dopers lose their points at the moment of their positive tests - e.g. Korda at Wimbledon 1998 - could have been stricter but I don't want to make ungrounded allegation)


Don't take it too seriously, it's just fun.


Code:
1	Ivan Lendl 	586pts
2	Jimmy Connors	576
3	John McEnroe	477
4	Roger Federer	463
5	Pete Sampras 	427
6	Andre Agassi	418,5
7	Björn Borg	353
8	Boris Becker	342,5
9	Stefan Edberg	326,5
10	Guillermo Vilas	295,5
11	Ilie Nastase	291
12	Rafael Nadal	287
13	Rod Laver	261
14	Mats Wilander	253
15	Arthur Ashe	224,5
16	Stan Smith	205,5
17	John Newcombe	200
18	Tom Okker	193,5
19	Andy Roddick	188
19	Michael Chang	188
21	Ken Rosewall	185,5
22	Lleyton Hewitt	183,5
23	Jim Courier	180
24	Yevgeni Kafelnikov	178,5
25	Manuel Orantes 	174
26	Vitas Gerulaitis	165,5
27	Thomas Muster	162,5
28	Goran Ivanisevic	159,5
29	Novak Djokovic	144,5
30	Yannick Noah 	137,5
31	Brian Gottfried	134,5
32	Raul Ramirez	125
32	Gustavo Kuerten 	125
34	Andres Gomez	122
35	Michael Stich	119,5
36	Carlos Moya 	119
37	Roscoe Tanner	117
38	Juan Carlos Ferrero	111
39	Eddie Dibbs	110
40	Marat Safin 	106
41	Tony Roche 	104,5
42	Wojtek Fibak	102,5
43	Nicolay Davydenko	101,5
44	Jan Kodes	99,5
44	Pat Rafter	99,5
46	Anders Jarryd	96
47	Sergi Bruguera	95,5
48	Richard Krajicek	94,5
48	Marcelo Rios	94,5
50	Harold Solomon	93
51	Miroslav Mecir	91,5
52	David Nalbandian 	91
53	Tim Henman 	90
54	Andy Murray 	89,5
55	Alex Corretja	88,5
55	Emilio Sanchez 	88,5
57	Jonas Björkman	81,5
58	Petr Korda	80,5
59	Gene Mayer 	78,5
59	Johan Kriek 	78,5
61	Todd Martin 	76,5
61	Adriano Panatta	76,5
61	Wayne Ferreira	76,5
61	Brad Gilbert	76,5
64	Tomas Smid	75,5
66	Jose Luis Clerc	75
67	Henri Leconte	74,5
68	Thomas Enqvist	73,5
68	Jose Higueras 	73,5
68	Tim Mayotte 	73,5
71	Guy Forget 	73
72	Fernando Gonzalez	72,5
73	Tommy Haas	71,5
74	Albert Costa	70,5
75	Marty Riessen 	67,5
76	Pat Cash	66
77	Todd Woodbridge	65,5
78	Sébastien Grosjean 	63,5
79	Bob Lutz	62
80	Sandy Mayer	61,5
81	Balazs Taroczy	61
82	Mark Philippoussis	60,5
83	Cédric Pioline	58,5
83	Greg Rusedski 	58,5
83	Mark Woodforde 	58,5
86	Kevin Curren 	56,5
86	Andres Gimeno	56,5
88	Cliff Richey	56
88	Andrei Medvedev	56
88	Dick Stockton	56
91	Guillermo Coria	55
91	David Ferrer	55
91	John Alexander	55
94	Aaron Krickstein	54
95	Vijay Amritraj	53,5
96	Joachim Nyström	53
97	Victor Pecci sr	52,5
97	Eliot Teltscher	52,5
99	James Blake	51,5
99	Tommy Robredo	51,5
99	Alberto Berasategui	51,5
Code:
102	Mark Edmondson	51
102	Tom Gorman 	51
102	Jaime Fillol sr	51
102	Ivan Ljubicic	51
106	Marc Rosset 	50,5
106	Bob Hewitt	50,5
108	Magnus Gustafsson	49,5
108	Nicolas Kiefer	49,5
110	Brian Teacher	49
110	Peter Fleming 	49
112	Robin Söderling	48,5
113	Karel Novacek 	48
114	Thomas Johansson 	47,5
115	Felix Mantilla 	47
116	Cliff Drysdale 	46,5
117	Roy Emerson 	45
118	Juan Martin Del Potro	44,5
119	Magnus Norman	44
120	Andrei Chesnokov	43
120	Paul Haarhuis	43
120	Frew McMillan	43
123	Magnus Larsson 	42
123	Jiri Novak 	42
125	Gaston Gaudio	41,5
126	Roger Taylor	41
127	Sjeng Schalken 	40
127	Fabrice Santoro	40
127	Guillermo Canas	40
130	Onny Parun 	39,5
130	Peter McNamara	39,5
130	Corrado Barazzutti	39,5
130	Heinz Gunthardt	39,5
130	Jakob Hlasek 	39,5
130	Clark Graebner	39,5
136	Jacco Eltingh	39
136	Mike Bryan	39
138	Mikhail Youzhny	38,5
138	Daniel Nestor 	38,5
138	Martin Jaite	38,5
141	Alex Metreveli	38
141	Javier Sanchez	38
141	Bob Bryan	38
144	Tomas Berdych	37,5
144	Zeljko Franulovic	37,5
146	Jonas Svensson	36,5
147	Fred Stolle	36
147	Pancho Gonzales	36
149	Kim Warwick	35
149	Dominik Hrbaty 	35
149	John Fitzgerald 	35
149	Younes El Aynaoui	35
153	Radek Stepanek 	34,5
153	Arnaud Clément	34,5
153	Nicolas Lapentti 	34,5
153	Marc Cox	34,5
153	Max Mirnyi	34,5
158	Rainer Schuettler 	34
158	Jimmy Arias	34
158	Mardy Fish	34
158	Kent Carlsson	34
158	Guillermo Perez-Roldan	34
158	Wally Masur 	34
158	Phil Dent 	34
165	Ramesh Krishnan	33,5
165	Scott Davis 	33,5
167	Jo-Wilfried Tsonga	32
167	Nikki Pilic 	32
167	MaliVai Washington	32
170	Mario Ancic	31,5
170	Paolo Bertolucci	31,5
170	Byron Black	31,5
173	Richard Gasquet	31
173	Bill Scanlon 	31
175	Karl Meiler 	30,5
176	Karol Kucera 	30
176	Hans Gildemeister	30
176	Marcos Baghdatis	30
176	Gael Monfils	30
180	David Wheaton 	29,5
180 Sergio Casal	29,5
182	Tim Wilkison 	29
182	Mark Knowles	29
184	Fernando Verdasco	28,5
184	Tim Gullikson 	28,5
186	Sherwood Stewart	27,5
187	Henrik Sundström	27
187	Amos Mansdorf 	27
187	Francisco Clavet	27
187	Leander Paes	27
191	Colin Dibley	26,5
191	Jan Siemerink	26,5
191	Michael Llodra	26,5
194	Martin Damm	25,5
194	Rick Leach 	25,5
196	Alexander Volkov	25
196	Hank Pfister 	25
196	Jaime Yzaga	25
196	Richey Reneberg	25
196	Mahesh Bhupathi	25
By nations (based on the top200 player ranking):

Code:
United States	4896
Australia	1726
Sweden	1566,5
Spain	1531,5
Czech Republic	994,5
Argentina	676,5
Germany	649
France	597,5
Switzerland	592,5
Russia	530,5
Netherlands	436,5
United Kingdom	313,5
Croatia	311,5
South Africa	301
Romania	291
Chile	249
Austria 	162,5
Ecuador	156,5
Slovakia	191
Serbia	144,5
India	139
Mexico	125
Brazil 	125
Canada	38,5
Cyprus	30
Bahamas	29
Israel	27
Peru	25

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Re: Open Era Ranking (April 22 1968-November 2010): an attempt

I'll be interested to see your points system.

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Indeed

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Great list, nice to see some non-Fedal current guys in the top 50-60. Also interested in how you worked out the points. Cheers.

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Re: Open Era Ranking (April 22 1968-November 2010): an attempt

Thank you guys.

I'll start with the point system for the ATP Tour Era (1990 to date). That's the easiest. More stable era.

Code:
Grand Slam Tournament				
Win	12pts			
Final	6			
Semi-Final	4			
Quarter-Final	3			
				
Doubles Win	1			
				
Masters (Year-End)				
Win	6			
Final	3			
				
ATP Champions Series (or Super 9/Masters 1000; I still use its first name because for me the Masters is the Year-End Champ.)				
Win	4			
Final 	2			
Semi-Final	2			
				
ATP Tour + Exo**.  Event				
Win 	2			
Final 	1			
				
Non-Slam Doubles Win	0,5

Code:
** The list of exhibition events I've included and that were held in that period: 				
				
1968	1996	Beckenham Open 		
1983	1991	Antwerp European Community Championship		
1990		WCT Tournament of Champions - Forest Hills		
1990	1997	Hong Kong Marlboro Challenge		
1990	1995	US Pro/Boston		

Criteria for including Exhibition events:
-Classic Draws 16+
-8-man Round Robin + Semi-Final (and final)
These criteria also hold for ATP sanctioned tournaments but that doesn't concern that period because they were all valid. I've however had to remove older ATP-sanctioned tournaments. 
For the older period I've added a third criteria, namely: 
-8-man draws with all matches being best of 5 (like Dallas - WCT Finals) 
And I've still included the Masters from 1982 to 1984 despite the reduced draws, because it's the Masters
My point system favours Grand Slam wins compared to the ATP system (but for the ATP 250).

Ratio GS/Masters is 0.5 for my system and 0.75 for the ATP
Ratio GS/Series is 0.33 for my system and 0.5 for the ATP
Ratio GS/ATP 500 is 0.167 for my system and 0.25 for the ATP
Ratio GS/ATP 250 is 0.167 for my system and 0.125 for the ATP
Ratio GS Win/GS Final is 0.5 for my system and 0.67 for the ATP


For the preceding era, it's basically the same structure. I just had to choose the right "Series" equivalent tournaments, with some adaptations based on the draws (Dallas), on the point deficit for some Grand Slam editions or lack of tournaments played.

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Re: Open Era Ranking (April 22 1968-November 2010): an attempt

So for the April 1968- End 1989, the system is based the one mentioned above but here are the slight adaptations:

Grand Slam adaptations

Code:
Roland Garros 1968 ; 1970-1972	
Winner 	10
Runner-Up	5
Semifinalists	3
Quarterfinalists	2
Doubles Winner	1
In 1968, some WCT players and others were not in, because of the events of "Mai '68" in Paris. From 1970 to 1972, NTL and/or WCT players were not allowed.

Code:
Wimbledon 1972	
Winner 	10
Runner-Up	5
Semifinalists	3
Quarterfinalists	2
Doubles Winner	1
	
Wimbledon 1973	
Winner 	6
Runner-Up	3
Semifinalists	2
Quarterfinalists	0
Doubles Winner 	0,5
In 1972 WCT players were not allowed in Wimbledon. 1973 was the year of the dispute (The top80 boycotted the event but 3 players)

Code:
US Open 1971	
Winner 	10
Runner-Up	5
Semifinalists	3
Quarterfinalists	2
Doubles Winner	1
WCT players not in.
Code:
Australian Open 1970; 1983-1987	
Winner 	10
Runner-Up	5
Semifinalists	3
Quarterfinalists	2
Doubles Winner	1
	
Australian Open 1972-1982	
Wimbledon 1973	
Winner 	6
Runner-Up	3
Semifinalists	2
Quarterfinalists	0
Doubles Winner 	0,5
In 1970, NTL players didn't play because they and there boss thought the prize money was to low. From 1972 to 1985, the tournament was moved to December (last week of December in 1972/1976 and mid-December from 1977 to 1985). The field was a bit better in 1983 (Wilander in because of Davis Cup) and in 1988, has a 128-draw (and moved to Flinders Park). In 1968 it was still amateur.

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The "Series" equivalents


Code:
1968
Rome
Boston
Pacific SW
French Pro
Wembley
Queen's Club


Madison Square Garden (November)
The Madison Square Garden event is the one from Nov. 27 to Dec. 1 (many tournaments played in the Garden then) and it gathered together the 4 best NTL players and the 4 best WCT players. Some sort of a Masters equivalent.

Couldn't find 9 tournaments for that year as the OE started in the middle of it.

Code:
1969

Philadelphia
Johannesburg
Hamburg
Monte Carlo
Rome
Las Vegas
Pacific South West
Wembley
Stockholm
Madison Square Garden
The Garden event is the one in which Gimeno defeated Ashe in the final. 10 tournaments for that year because no Masters.
Code:
1970

Philadelphia
Las Vegas
Hamburg
Sydney
Monte Carlo
Rome
Pacific South West
Stockholm
Wembley
Code:
1971

Philadelphia
Hamburg
Monte Carlo
Rome
Pacific South West
Berkeley
WCT Finals
Stockholm
Wembley
Code:
1972 to 1975

Philadelphia
WCT Finals
Hamburg
Monte Carlo
Rome
Pacific South West
Stockholm
Wembley/London
Paris
Code:
1976

Philadelphia
WCT Finals
Hamburg
Dusseldorf
Rome
Indianapolis
Stockholm
Wembley
Paris
Monte Carlo was a 16-draw then.

Code:
1977

Philadelphia
WCT Finals
Hamburg
Nice
Rome
Indianapolis
Stockholm
Wembley
Paris
Same for Monte Carlo.

Code:
1978

Philadelphia
WCT Finals
Hamburg
Monte Carlo
Rome
Indianapolis
Stockholm
Tokyo indoor
Wembley
Code:
1979 to 1985

Philadelphia
WCT Finals
Hamburg
Monte Carlo
Rome
Canadian Open
Stockholm
Tokyo indoor
Wembley
Code:
1986

Philadelphia
WCT Finals
Boca West
Hamburg
Monte Carlo
Rome
Canadian Open
Stockholm
Tokyo indoor
Code:
1987

WCT Finals
Indian Wells
Key Biscayne
Hamburg
Monte Carlo
Rome
Canadian Open
Stockholm
Tokyo indoor
Code:
1988/1989

WCT Finals
Indian Wells
Key Biscayne
Hamburg
Monte Carlo
Rome
Canadian Open
Stockholm
Bercy

Adaptations for these tournaments


These are very personal and thus disputable adaptations but I feel strongly about some of them.

Code:
Johannesburg 1969	
Winner 	10
Runner-Up	5
Semifinalists	3
Quarterfinalists	2
Doubles Winner	1
I think that edition of Jo'burg is a real Grand Slam equivalent. 64-draw and best of 5 all the way, with top players in. In my opinion, better than the Australian Open. It was played on hard court. Laver defeated Okker in the final. Only dark note, Ashe was not allowed to come to Apartheid South Africa.

Code:
Sydney Dunlop Open 1970	
Winner 	6
Runner-Up	3
Semifinalists	2
Doubles Winner 	0,5
Sometimes called the unofficial Australian Open, that year. Had a better field, I think, though the official AO wasn't bad. In 1971, this tournament would become the Australian Open.

Code:
Dallas - WCT Finals 1971-1989	
Winner 	6
Runner-Up	3
Points only for winners and runners-up as it was an 8-man draw. But best of 5 all the way. Some would argue that the last editions were not so big. Perhaps, I don't know.


Code:
Rome 1972-1973;1976-1979	
Winner 	6
Runner-Up	3
Semifinalists	2
Quarterfinalists	0
Doubles Winner 	0,5
Slight adaptation meant to add up for the AO point deficit but it doesn't add up. I chose to upgrade Rome because of the 64-man draw without 1st round exemption and best of 5 Semis + Final. In 1974 and 1975, rather depleted field because of WTT, I think. So I chose for Philadelphia.

Code:
Philadelphia 1974-1975;1979	
Winner 	6
Runner-Up	3
Semifinalists	2
Doubles Winner 	0,5
Philadelphia draws were annoying. In 1980 2nd seed McEnroe had to play a 1st round while unseeded players were 'bye'. Why?
Both Rome and Philadelphia were great in 1979. Couldn't chose. So point distribution is slightly bigger for that year.

Code:
Boca West/Key Biscayne 1986-1989
Winner 	6
Runner-Up	3
Semifinalists	2
Doubles Winner 	0,5
Some editions with Grand Slam format. 128 players for all.

---------------

Two bonus events

Code:
Tennis Champions Classic 1970	
Winner 	6
Runner-Up	3
Semifinalists	2
	
Tennis Champions Classic 1971	
Winner 	10
Runner-Up	3
These two tournaments are added, which means that for these two years, there were more major tournaments than for the others but there were still less tournaments played overall and ... it's worth it.

Tennis Champions Classic was a league that spread over several months. There was an initial winner-take-all match early in the season and the winner would get the right to play another challenger later on in another "winner takes all". In the end, the four best players would qualify for semifinal berth.

In 1971, Rod Laver won all his "winner-takes-all" and tournament for a total 13 match wins in 2.5 months (almost a double GS equivalent but with rest days in between). Hence the point system is different from 1970.

Non ATP-Sanctioned events

Here's the list of the tournaments that you cannot find on atptennis.com and that I've included. The ones with an * are allegedly listed in the ATP Players Guide (can't check it out myself).

The system, for all unless previously mentioned otherwise, is

Winner: 2pts
Runner-up: 1pt
Doubles winner: 0.5 (if I have evidence that there was any).


Edit: Forgot to mention that the list is of course non-exhaustive !

Code:
1968		Madison Square Garden (November/December) 			
1968		Wembley Pro			
1968		French Pro			
1968	1996	Beckenham Open 			
1968	1972	Dublin			
1968	1970	Bristol			
1968		Merion			
1969		Madison Square Garden 			
1969	1971	Johannesburg			
1969	1970	Las Vegas			
1969		Washington			
1969		Fort Worth			
1969		Los Angeles Pro			
1969		Anaheim			
1969	1971	Omaha			
1969		Brussels			
1969		Tokyo Series			
1969	1970	San Juan			
1970		Sydney Dunlop 			
1970		Vancouver			
1970		Jacksonville 			
1970		Salisbury*			
1970		Macon 			
1970		Brussels Indoor*			
1970		Newport (UK)			
1970		Eastbourne			
1970	1971	Tennis Champions Classic			
1970		Hoylake			
1970		Dallas			
1970		Auckland			
1970		Royal Albert Hall			
1970		Atlanta 			
1970		Melbourne			
1970		Hampton			
1970		Casablanca			
1970		Hobart 			
1971		Madrid*			
1973		Washington Indoor Equity Open*			
1973		Sydney			
1973		Palmetto			
1974		Oslo Scandinavian Open 			
1974		Auckland			
1975		San Juan  			
1977	1979	Rotterdam World Star/Holland Roxy Tennis Tournament			
1979		Dorado Beach Puerto Rico*			
1979		Little Rock*			
1980	1981	Fréjus Carré d'As			
1980		Dubai Golden Tennis Tournament 			
1980	1982	Melbourne Mazda Super Challenge 			
1981	1989	Challenge of Champions			
1981	1984	Toronto Molson Light Challenge			
1981		WCT Invitational - Salisbury*			
1982	1983	North Miami Beach			
1982		Manchester			
1983	1991	Antwerp			
1983	1989	Jericho Hamlet Cup			
1986		Ede 			
1987	1989	Edinburgh
1988	1990    Chicago Volvo Tennis Tournament		
1988	1989	Stuttgart Classic			
1988	1989	Wirral, West Kirby			
1990		WCT Tournament of Champions - Forest Hills			
1990	1997	Hong Kong Marlboro Challenge			
1990	1995	US Pro/Boston
(Thanks Voo and others who contributed to some of my threads on the history section, and hence helped me !)

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Re: Open Era Ranking (April 22 1968-November 2010): an attempt

Slight edit because I wanted to include the Chicago exo from 1988 to 1990.

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1974 Oslo Scandinavian Open
Isn't it already included in the ATP website?
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Re: Open Era Ranking (April 22 1968-November 2010): an attempt

Actually two tournaments were held in Oslo in 1974.

The ATP sanctioned one was held in November and the one I was referring to was held in January/February (Jan. 28 - Feb. 3).

Borg def. Moore 2-6, 6-4, 6-4, 6-1 in the final.
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Re: Open Era Ranking (April 22 1968-November 2010): an attempt

Did not see that thread. Great effort and interesting stuff mate.

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